Are Surfs effectively optioned up Hilux's? Good 4WD's?

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Are Surfs effectively optioned up Hilux's? Good 4WD's?

Unread post by nino » April 12th, 2014, 10:55 am

Gday,
A mate of mine has just bought a 92 Surf, and someone he knows is giving him grief saying that its crap. I told him that other than the interior electrics and the turbo diesel engine, they run the same drive line as a Hi Lux. Am I right and is there anyhting he needs to worry about???
I know the cooling is a little suspect as the climate is different in oz compared to japan, is there anything else???

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Re: Are Surfs effectively optioned up Hilux's? Good 4WD's?

Unread post by Aaron Schubert » April 12th, 2014, 1:13 pm

What model is it? They are good vehicles, and the cooling is really the only problem you hear about regularly. They have IFS, which some of the hilux's don't. Tell him to ignore any advice that it is crap - if it does what he wants it to then its the perfect vehicle. End of story.

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Re: Are Surfs effectively optioned up Hilux's? Good 4WD's?

Unread post by Aussie_Dan » April 12th, 2014, 1:21 pm

^^^^ too right Aaron!
The Surf is as good (or bad, whichever way you want to look at it...) as any other Toyota. We had a 1993 2.4 manual for 7 years. My brother had a 1992 2.4 manual for about 5 years. Both of these vehicles were excellent. Pretty much the only troubles we had with either Surf were age related things that you are going to get with any 15+ year old car (injector pump leaks, brakes, bearings, suspension, clutches, radiators etc etc).
Keep on top of the maintenance, treat them with mechanical sympathy and you will reap the rewards of reliability.
The cooling system is something that does need to be kept tip top. Overheating issues seem to be more prevalent with the auto's (as the trans cooler in the bottom of the radiator adds extra heat to the cooling system) but this could be greatly reduced by the addition of a decent external trans cooler. Any vehicle can overheat if pushed hard enough in the hot weather.....
Cheers, Dan.

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Re: Are Surfs effectively optioned up Hilux's? Good 4WD's?

Unread post by nino » April 12th, 2014, 2:29 pm

Thanks guys, thats what I thought.

What about parts are they hard to get, pricey oer es he need a Toyota specialist to chase up info/parts for them?

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Re: Are Surfs effectively optioned up Hilux's? Good 4WD's?

Unread post by 4wd Hobbit » April 12th, 2014, 3:13 pm

Are we talking Surf which are grey imports from Japan or the 4Runner which were sold in Australia by Toyota as the HiLux station wagon.

While looking the same the Surf and 4Runner do have a number of differences.

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Re: Are Surfs effectively optioned up Hilux's? Good 4WD's?

Unread post by Aussie_Dan » April 12th, 2014, 7:25 pm

nino wrote: What about parts are they hard to get, pricey oer es he need a Toyota specialist to chase up info/parts for them?
Parts are very easy to get. The 2x diesel engines used in the Surf are from the 'L' and 'KZ' series of engines. Both of which were available in locally delivered models in one shape or form.
The gearboxes (auto and manual) are also shared between different Toyota models.
Suspension is all the same as the 4 Runner / Hilux.
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Re: Are Surfs effectively optioned up Hilux's? Good 4WD's?

Unread post by Coco7 » April 13th, 2014, 9:50 am

Hey mate, i was getting told that surfs are crap and that parts are hard to get and all the rest of it, but the truth is, surfs arent crap. People just treat them like crap and thats why half of them these days are, and have blown head gaskets and stuff. As dan said, just like any other car, keep up maintenance and look after it and they will go forever. Cooling can be an issue due to different climates here in oz but nothing an alloy radiator and some quality coolant wont fix. All the parts are easy to find as half of them are the same as hilux and 4 runner. the block is the same just different bore size and different oil cooler where the filter goes. Also the surf actually has a bigger oil filter than the hilux! Dont listen to anyone that says surfs are bad or hard to get parts for. Me and my old man have just completely rebuilt a surf, new pistons, rings, seals everything in the engine, new clutch, new shocks, new clutch master cylinder, new turbo, new filters, new uni joints, new diff seals, new axles and CV's, new this, new that, seriously. We found all the parts very easily :)

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