80 Series landcruiser vs Rubicon jeep?

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80 Series landcruiser vs Rubicon jeep?

Unread post by -G-man » March 2nd, 2017, 12:51 pm

Hey,

Since im in the market for a 4x4, up to 25k cost, i been looking at diesel 4x4s specifically the 80 series 1HD-FT cruiser and the jeep rubicon which i know nothing about.

Which rig is more capable offroad? Ive read a lot that for rock crawling etc the jeep has the better departure angles and the low gear ratios while landcruisers simply too big to be good for that. So true offroad vehicle = jeep and comfort = landcruiser.

Thats in a nutshell from what i got.

25k can buy a nice 80 series or rubicon, i wanna get the best offroader.

This was all to do with stock for stock, i dont mind adding modified.

I am trying to know which one has the better inherant design where mods can only get you so far while design takes the rest.

So which one would be better stock/modified ultimately?

Any imput would be appreciated.

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Re: 80 Series landcruiser vs Rubicon jeep?

Unread post by mydmax » March 2nd, 2017, 4:39 pm

Didn't you set out wanting a reasonably capable 4wd and for road use too, OR a dedicated mountain hopper?

For a continued driving experience I would select the 80 series, For continued repairs and problems and close association with your favourite repairer then go the Jeep.

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Re: 80 Series landcruiser vs Rubicon jeep?

Unread post by Tony F8 » March 4th, 2017, 2:30 pm

And who said the jeep was a true off road vehicle vs the 80 series, could that have been Jeep? A lot of off-road capability is the person behind the wheel.

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Re: 80 Series landcruiser vs Rubicon jeep?

Unread post by Peter Aawen » March 5th, 2017, 9:58 am

Hi -G-man, do you realise that you've asked a 'pretty much impossible for ANYONE ELSE to answer for YOU' question here?? The only person who can decide which vehicle is better FOR YOU is YOU; and when it comes to all the rest, especially things like 'what is the best offroad vehicle' a lot of that is subjective anyway - best for what offroad??.... But if you've got the time, & at the risk of offending more than just a few of the various manufacturer's 'blind followers', here's some of my insight & purely subjective thoughts!!

In their 'bog stock' format, the manufacturers of the two vehicles you've singled out here have taken different approaches to suit their particular perceived markets. The Jeep comes out of the USA, and while they certainly started their life & susequent development from a very basic, capable (for the time), & robust platform, their entire development history as a civvy vehicle has been aimed at satisfying drivers in a country where plush comfort & ease is a prime motivation; where you pretty much can't get more than about 20 miles away from a servo &/or help; where the vast majority of their roads are paved; & where there's not a great deal of restriction on what mods people can make to their vehicles! The market there has been dominated by that background & the subsequent biases it brings for many years, with few 'real' contenders for the 'off-road base vehicle of choice' crown, so their vehicles have been tailored to best suit the 'perceived market' there. The result is reasonably adaptable body on not a bad chassis with alright but readily upgraded (for a cost) running gear that's really aimed at just working OK on the paved roads, despite the mandated ability to travel at walking pace with numerous guides & spotters along a '4WD trail'/road that only a couple of decades ago was used by 48 seater 2WD buses (hence the Rubicon label) - at least until someone throws some considerable amount of time, effort, & probably money at it to change virtually everything except the basic fixed body panels, the major chassis rails, & the suspension mounting points - altho regardless, ALL of those can be beaten, bent, cut, &/or moved/removed or even replaced if the owner wants to change it or fit something else under there!!

Yeah, the basic stock as a rock Jeep definitely has some good, maybe even great things about it; & there's no denying that even in stock form they can be fun to drive on or off road (the Rubicon might not be 'tough' in real Aussie terms, but it's definitely NOT a doddle!) but there's a very good reason that there is such a vast array of mods & accessories available (only cos we are o/seas, they tend to only be available at a price here!) You CAN do virtually anything with & to a Jeep, & it CAN be the greatest 4WD ever... in one particular person's view after it's been modded & cut & welded & accessorised & bent & beaten into the very thing they want it to be - but even then virtually every Jeep out there will still remain a 'work in progress' until it is finally scrapped & crushed!! And here in Aust, we just aren't permitted to do a lot of the things that people might think necessary in the US; besides, it'd probably cost an arm & a leg & the first born children of the next seven generations of your descendants to do what you'd really want to anyway!! But hey, a Jeep is STILL gonna be fun to drive regardless, & even if you can't mod out the things that will really bug you about them & their on/off road driving &/or on/off road ability shortfalls (& there WILL be some!) you'll STILL have a ball... and there's also a reasonably good chance that you might become great friends with your local Towie, the nearest Jeep Dealer, & the A/mkt Jeep parts importer down the road! :eek:

In contrast, the particular 80 Series you are looking at has been developed from a vehicle that was developed from a very basic, capable (for the time), & robust vehicle somewhat more recently than the Jeep - and it was an improved copy of that more recent version too!! Toyota took the best of all things Jeep AND the best of all things LandRover AND the best all things from anything else they could find at the time that looked/worked well & started from that base with the driving goal being to improve upon it & dominate the market!! And they did a great job... for a while!!

The early Toyota Wagons were arguably the 'best offroad' 4WD wagons on the market for quite some time.... well, the only vehicles in the class really, but that doesn't detract a heap from the fact that they just got on with the job & did it pretty well - not fast, not always wonderfully comfortable, but if you wanted something that had reasonable 4WD capability AND seats (not thinly padded metal frames), floor coverings, elec w/screen wipers, a heater demister, a radio of sorts, & that you could drive around town without having the masses point at you & laugh or the cops checking you out to see what you'd flogged from a construction site all the time, then you didn't get much choice! But then along came this wider interest in 4WD'ing & the uses you could put these big robust & virtually indestructible vehicles to!! Heck, you could even load up the whole family & tow the caravan or boat easily on your annual hols, with little chance of destroying or cooking your ride - not fast, not really comfortable, never all that economical; but it did the job, looked tough & hey, all those lesser people looking on might even think you spent some time in the outback! :rolleyes:

Just like Jeep met their perceived market needs, so did Toyota - and their perceived market, or at least those people with the $$ to spend on the 'up market' 60 & 80 Series wanted COMFORT, they wanted smooth riding, room for the kids, an ability to tow, a better stereo, they even wanted a sexy looking/sounding motor to be able to keep up with the traffic in the city and on the freeway that they could boast about how many valves it had or which turbo it had to the neighbours - most of them didn't care a fig about losing the older & slower virtually indestructible engine & a vehicle capable of towing a few tonnes of machinery over the rocks & dunes reliably if not even necessarily fast! They just wanted the comfort & style & all the mod cons in a sexy looking body that would make the neighbours envious - they didn't need or want an indestructible front diff; a simple & indestructible easy to work on engine; good approach, departure, & ramp over angles; or a dual range 4WD Transfer case that worked thru big & robust gears & not a piddly centre diff; they didn't even want long travel heavy duty suspension... And so by the mid 90's the demise of the Toyota Wagons as really capable go anywhere very reliable 4WD's was a foregone conclusion - and the 80 Series you are considering is not the first vehicle they made after they conciously chose to take their wagons down that path!! Nice engine, yeah - maybe even great... shame they'd already started downgrading the rest of the vehicle from the 'best offroad' 4WD perspective!! Ahh well, nothing that you can't fix with some $$, some modding, beating, cutting, shutting, transplanting, &/or accessorising - IF you can get away with it legally; Oh, & watch your load limit - the load capacity of these things is not all that great!!

Soooooo, you say you want 'the Best Offroad' 4WD & yet want to discuss vehicles that are pretty much diametrically opposite in the spectrum of pretend 4WD's that we are lumbered with today?!? I reckon that if you were serious about getting a capable offroad 4WD you'd be looking for a well maintained OLDER 4WD Wagon, certainly nothing made since the mid 90's, or maybe you should start looking in the light truck range (NOT the D/cab or Ute class, which also since the early/mid 90's has pretty much followed the wagons down the tube of pandering to the perceived market rather than real 4WD'ers!) Hey, even the various 70 Series Toyota's maintained some real 4WD capability & true outback reliability in their earlier incarnations, but they too suffered in the true offroad stakes from the mid 90's on!! There are others tho, like Mitsubishi Canters, OKA's (expensive still?) older Dodge 4WD's, newer vehicles like the Iveco's & a few more. OR maybe you could sit down & put some serious thought into the realities of what you WILL be able to do with a 4WD, & then spend the time it takes to pick & choose from the vast range of second hand 4WD vehicles out there! ;)
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Re: 80 Series landcruiser vs Rubicon jeep?

Unread post by nilla60 » March 7th, 2017, 10:27 pm

For $25k you should also be looking at 100s which will be many years younger.

One nice thing about the Tojo is that parts will be common as muck in every corner of the country as they are far more commonly found on farms and in industry that Jeeps are.

If you like to lug a lot of stuff around with you, the Tojo would also be more satisfactory space wise.

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Re: 80 Series landcruiser vs Rubicon jeep?

Unread post by cmar » March 10th, 2017, 9:48 am

Ha Ha as a past member of the Jeep club in Qld, I can attest to the fact that yes the Jeeps are fun to own and drive, everyone will think you look cool (because you will) but, and like the rest of life, there is a but, - this cool comes at a cost.

The old 4L straight was ther best engine Jeep ever made, that engine can deliver diesel like service life - sadly not with diesel like economy! Sadly you wont get it in a Rubicon
The V6's that replaced it are slightly better on fuel but not quite as reliable or long lasting.
The VM diesels are pretty good, after all that's what you get in Colorados, but are not made by Chrysler.

The problem with Jeeps seems to be that stuff that pretty much every other manufacturer (including ther Korean ones) seem to have now got right, Jeep still seem to struggle with. Simple stuff that shouldn't break, does, often.

Keep your tool kit handy and make friends with your local parts supplier, or keep your paypal account current so you can order stuff from the US ( cheaper even with the exchange rate and postage)

Out of the box Jeeps probably drive better than any other stock 4x4 including Toyota, off road.
The problem is that like said above, if you want to do it day after day, year after year, you will have to replace some of the lighter gauge underpinnings with heavier after market stuff.
They were designed to drive to your 4x4 location on the tar, or at worst good gravel, do a short run and then drive home again. Fuel and help is never more than 100 miles away at most. Touring like we have just doesn't exist in the US - too many people.
Also the 4 door is like a reverse Tardis it looks smaller on the inside, because it is comapred to the Toyota.
But they are fun :)
Haven't owned a 2WD since 1982.

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Re: 80 Series landcruiser vs Rubicon jeep?

Unread post by jacnden » March 10th, 2017, 12:01 pm

if you want an off roader i dont think much will beat a rubicon. and there is so much available from mild to wild
jeep forums recommend the petrol v6 as the best choice

if you want a tourer buy the toyota

not sure what you will get for $25000

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Re: 80 Series landcruiser vs Rubicon jeep?

Unread post by SeaJay62 » March 10th, 2017, 2:22 pm

80 series

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