Is this the Jeep thing we non Jeep owners dont understand?

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Is this the Jeep thing we non Jeep owners dont understand?

Unread post by Gary_M » July 22nd, 2015, 2:43 am

TLDR, two hackers have code that can via the Jeep radio hack the system controlling brakes via wireless technology, among other things. If this is true, LOL, thats just insane.

If you own a new Jeep, Id be reading that article. A number of vehicles actually, to differing degrees.


http://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-re ... p-highway/?

The Dodge, she dont dodge....

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So you bought a Jeep.....

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Re: Is this the Jeep thing we non Jeep owners dont understan

Unread post by hoyks » July 22nd, 2015, 12:05 pm

It is one of those 'possible, but extremely unlikely' things.

The 'hackers' loaded new firmware into the vehicle that allowed them to get remote control. So unless you are going to give the keys to your son's dodgy looking mate that is really good at maths and into computers so he can take it away and tinker for a few hours, then I don't think you will have a problem....

although with re-mappable ECU's a new engine tunes that you can download from the net and install into your car, maybe that will be a backdoor.

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Re: Is this the Jeep thing we non Jeep owners dont understan

Unread post by Gary_M » July 22nd, 2015, 2:24 pm

hoyks wrote:It is one of those 'possible, but extremely unlikely' things.

The 'hackers' loaded new firmware into the vehicle that allowed them to get remote control. So unless you are going to give the keys to your son's dodgy looking mate that is really good at maths and into computers so he can take it away and tinker for a few hours, then I don't think you will have a problem....

although with re-mappable ECU's a new engine tunes that you can download from the net and install into your car, maybe that will be a backdoor.
They first did similar things a year or two ago, then they needed access to the inside of the vehicle, but as i read that article, the Jeep acts as a wifi hotspot, and in Jeeps attempt to make the vehicle iPod etc compatible and interactive it is fully accessible over the net. They dont go into enough detail but it appears they are saying they have an exploit that allows access without ever having to plug into anything. All they need is the Jeeps IP address, much like hackers over the net and your PC.

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Re: Is this the Jeep thing we non Jeep owners dont understan

Unread post by 4wd Hobbit » July 22nd, 2015, 4:34 pm

I am not sure how they can disable the brakes - at least completely disable the brakes as when all systems have failed you still have a mechanical/hydraulic link from foot pedal to brake linings. For sure the Can bus system can apply brakes that cause grief if they act incorrectly - eg ABS, traction control and stability control but if disabled the brakes will still work - even when the the car has no power - brakes might be extremely heavy due to no power assistance - same generally applies to steering systems.

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Re: Is this the Jeep thing we non Jeep owners dont understan

Unread post by Gary_M » July 22nd, 2015, 5:17 pm

4wd Hobbit wrote:I am not sure how they can disable the brakes - at least completely disable the brakes as when all systems have failed you still have a mechanical/hydraulic link from foot pedal to brake linings. For sure the Can bus system can apply brakes that cause grief if they act incorrectly - eg ABS, traction control and stability control but if disabled the brakes will still work - even when the the car has no power - brakes might be extremely heavy due to no power assistance - same generally applies to steering systems.
Assuming they are mechanical, and always will be.

Theres been testing and work done on non mechanical steering where the vehicle will 'sense' another vehicle beside it, and will not leave the lane to avoid contact no matter how hard you turn the wheel. The wheel turns, but the vehicle does not, clearly there is no purely mechanical link (Im sure its not in any production vehicle but its beside the point). In a similar way fly by wire has eliminated the mechanical connection for acceleration, and thats well documented.

If you read the article, its less about Jeep, and much more about the types of systems being employed, without regard, or consultation with adequate safety procedures and clearly without the best people in the field. So much so, that is wasnt until after some private citizens said hey look what we can do, some legislative intervention has been considered, considered, not yet completed. Given the auto industry attitude to repairs and faults with dealerships across all brands, they certainly should not be self regulating.

They are suggesting it can be done with phone apps.

Toyota has already killed several people with its clever electrics, and willingness to ignore safety, and downright lie about it.

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