More gun bans?

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Fenring
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Re: More gun bans?

Unread post by Fenring » August 25th, 2015, 8:25 am

Shann Low wrote:Yeah, damn right - I don't want to be seen as a protester - i want to be seen as the guy pulls the switch on the guillotine!. :lol: :lol:

They will take your submission Fenring and do whatever they want regardless, then use your submission to say "but we consulted widely before reaching our decision".

I used to think it made a difference once - it took a while before I worked out it don't mean squat.

Votes? You mean preference deals... What you vote makes zero difference...it's all about the flow of preferences.

They tried it on in Vic in 2007, with some ridiculous proposals.

I wrote a submission attacking all of them.

There were not many submissions....lazy, complacent shooters!

Not one of the bad proposals got off the ground. :)



If you don't at least try, you shouldn't complain if things don't go your way.

Shann Low
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Re: More gun bans?

Unread post by Shann Low » August 25th, 2015, 10:52 am

I don't own any lever actions.... :rolleyes:

I did once.... a old Marlin saddle carbine lever gun in 45-70 US govt... kicked like a mule and shot holes thru trees a foot in diameter, brick walls, plough discs, - you name it.

Sold it to a mate for shooting buffaloes in the N.T. Dumbest thing i ever did - selling it coz I wasn't using it much at the time out in the wheat belt, but a month or so later I got a job in a heavily forested area chock full of wild pigs for the next 19 years and it would have been the best damn thing since sliced bread... :rolleyes:

But that was my first and last ever lever gun!.

So the whole plans to change things pretty much won't affect me.

Fenring
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Re: More gun bans?

Unread post by Fenring » August 25th, 2015, 1:50 pm

Mate, that attitude is part of our problem.

When semi auto centrefires were banned, most shooters said "I don't care, it doesn't affect me."

When semi auto .22's and pump and auto shotguns were pretty much banned, the pistol shooters and range princesses said "I don't care, it doesn't affect me."

When various handguns were banned, longarm owners said "I don't care, it doesn't affect me."


The point is that this is a progressive removal of ALL guns from our society - we ALL need to stick together on the issue and stick up for one another.

The EXACT same sort of thing is why ALL outdoor sports - shooters, 4x4 owners, fishermen etc need to stick together and join the Shooters and Fishers Party. There is a common thread to limit access to the bush for ALL those sports, and while we seem not to all have much in common our desire to maintain access to the bush is common ground.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend!

Shann Low
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Re: More gun bans?

Unread post by Shann Low » August 25th, 2015, 3:12 pm

Its exactly the problem Fenring, and its the same for fishers and shooters/hunters.

Some of them are died in the wool Labor guys, some are hard core Liberals, some are rabid Greenies, and a few vote for Crazy Clive, or the Shooters and Fishers, but NONE of them would band together and all vote the same way to save their guns or their right to hunt & fish - so the conclusion I came too - (after trying to run for the Fishing party once here in the West) is that fishers and hunters / shooters are too apathetic, to deserve parliamentary representation.
In effect they deserve all they get!.
Bin there-n-done that and got the stubby holder and T shirt.
**** em... Fenring!.
For a start - banning people from Fishing forums or shooting forums coz they want to put up draft policy etc and might not 100% agree with EVERYTHING that the pillocks in charge say - just alienates hunters fishers and shooters from their party.
No way known to man I'd vote for those 2 Pillocks over east in Shooters and Fishers or Mazza here in the West, I'd sooner lose my guns and never fish again than vote for those wankers!.
You think they are saving your sport - whereas I think they are putting the final nails in the coffin.
You can join their party as long as you give up everything you believe in and the right to say anything, and just give them your money and shut the **** up and let them run it how they see fit.
**** that and them!. :irked:

Leslie
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Re: More gun bans?

Unread post by Leslie » September 9th, 2015, 9:19 pm

Not much time left to act people.


See below, [From the Shooters Union webpage]




Home - Featured - YOU HAVE UNTIL FRIDAY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT KEEPING YOUR FIREARMS
YOU HAVE UNTIL FRIDAY TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT KEEPING YOUR FIREARMS
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As you will have seen from our emails over the last few weeks, legitimate shooters are facing what is probably our biggest threat since the 1996 buyback. This time, however, there will be no buyback because this time, the government will not ban any firearms you have. What they plan to do is to re-categorize many of your firearms. Minutes of the National Firearms Policy Working Group from 2005 (yes, ten years ago) indicate that this plan was hatched a long time ago. And it’s not just about the Adler shotgun. That was simply the catalyst and had it not been for the furore that surrounded the publicity of the Adler, it is very likely that we would never have been aware of the plan to re-categorize your firearms.

The National Firearms and Weapons Policy Working Group (FWPWG) is currently working on a review of the National Firearms Agreement. Although consultation has only just begun, the review itself commenced in August last year. Whilst we have long been calling for a review of the NFA, we had no idea that the review was already under way and that it contained items that we definitely DON’T want to see, like the aforementioned re-categorization.

The consultation is very limited: only a very select group of organizations or individuals. Although Federal Minister for Justice and the Attorney General, Mr Keenan told us that Shooters Union would be part of the consultation, that has not eventuated. Nor have we been asked to make a submission on the review of the National Firearms Agreement.
We decided to do one anyway, and our submission can be found by by clicking HERE

It’s time for YOU to take some action now. If you don’t there is a very real chance that ANY firearm you have in your possession that has a magazine capacity of more than 5 rounds may be re-categorized to Category C. That will include most lever action firearms, nearly all .303s and a whole range of other firearms. If you haven’t recently applied for a Category C license, you may not be aware that in Queensland, it is almost impossible to get a Category C license, even if you are a property owner with more than sufficient land available. The reality is that if your firearms are re-categorized, you will be forced to hand them in to police with no compensation, because they haven’t actually been banned and therefore no compensation is payable. Even Dealers will be swamped with consignment stock for which they have no market so no hope of you getting any return on your investment there.

You might note that there is NO evidence to support the proposed actions, no examples of misuse of firearms based on their magazine capacity and there has been no meaningful consultation at which our views were respected.
So what can you do? There are a number of things:

Do your own submission. It doesn’t have to be as detailed as ours but you might get some ideas from it. You have until 11th September to make a submission.

Send your submission to t.Submissions@ag.gov.au">NationalFirearmsAgreemen t.Submissions@ag.gov.au with a copy to the Queensland Premier, Queensland Police Minister and your local member.
Shooters Union members should login and go to the ‘message politicians’ page for emailing Queensland politicians.
Make an appointment to see your local MPs, both state and federal. Tell them that if the proposed review of the NFA contains any further restrictions, you will not vote for them and you will be doing your level best to make sure that none of your friends do either.

Remember, keep it polite and factual. But let them know.
This is a call to action. Take action now!

typhoeus
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Re: More gun bans?

Unread post by typhoeus » September 9th, 2015, 10:32 pm

Leslie, the link to your submission doesn't work. . . cant check it out.

Leslie
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Re: More gun bans?

Unread post by Leslie » September 10th, 2015, 2:04 pm

Hi Typhoeus,

If you are referring to the submission link for sending in to the Government [it doesn't work for me either] you can just cut and paste to send in a submission. The submission listed is not mine, it is the Shooters Union submission.

You can also just google 'Shooters Union' to go to their website and should be able to access their submission there.

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