Computerised cars getting way too fancy

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Computerised cars getting way too fancy

Unread post by nilla60 » March 14th, 2011, 9:57 pm

Now Milo will never be at risk of this.

http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/13/se ... s-the.html
The most baroque and interesting attack they've demonstrated, though, uses a malformed MP3 that exploits a bug in the sound system (I'm assuming some sort of buffer overflow). Once they're in, the researchers have been able to control the car's locks, speedometer, brakes and engine.

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Re: Computerised cars getting way too fancy

Unread post by Aaron Schubert » March 14th, 2011, 10:57 pm

That's unreal. Maybe we will have to run virus scanners in our cars soon haha

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Re: Computerised cars getting way too fancy

Unread post by mattski_83 » March 15th, 2011, 7:07 am

I just bought a new mobile phone running the Android system (operating system made by Google) and i have had to download anti-virus software on it. I guess its just the begining of things to come.
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Re: Computerised cars getting way too fancy

Unread post by stockhorse » March 15th, 2011, 9:23 am

No computer No problem. Go the mighty 60's series lol

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Unread post by prawns » March 15th, 2011, 10:02 am

they had a mobile phone virus around 6 years ago that spead pretty quickly between countrys by simply using bluetooth to infect others

These days alot of cars come with bluetooth so theres a risk I guess with viruses already out there designed to take advantage of that medium..... and they are also saying its possible to infect cars using a compromised scan tool!
(time to find a trusted mechanic I guess lol - It could possibly open the doors for shady mechanics to drum up future business by deliberatly infecting vehicles as well?)

Scary stuff especially when some newer cars have things like electronically controlled accelerators etc (no cable, all computer done)
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Re: Computerised cars getting way too fancy

Unread post by Deeptank » March 15th, 2011, 10:38 am

Bluetooth has a range of 10m, so it's pretty unlilely to spread across borders that way. Also, Bluetooth devices have to accept incoming traffic first - otherwise the gate is closed.

The Internet (wired, wi-fi or 3G etc) is how viruses spread, plus of course USB keys, dodgy CD's/DVD's etc...

Personally I wouldn't lose sleep over this, nor would I let it effect my future car purchases. I also hope this statment won't fall into the category of 'Famous last words...' :)
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Re: Computerised cars getting way too fancy

Unread post by prawns » March 15th, 2011, 10:51 am

Deeptank wrote: Bluetooth has a range of 10m, so it's pretty unlilely to spread across borders that way.....
Unlikely? hmmmm maybe, but its happened before and they were quite suprised how quickly bluetooth viruses did spread between countrys (google brings alot of info if your curious)
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Re: Computerised cars getting way too fancy

Unread post by Pog » March 15th, 2011, 12:57 pm

Deeptank wrote:Bluetooth has a range of 10m, so it's pretty unlilely to spread across borders that way.
Millions of people cross borders every day.

Just like word-of-mouth, it won't take long to get round.

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Unread post by Deeptank » March 15th, 2011, 2:46 pm

prawns wrote:
Deeptank wrote: Bluetooth has a range of 10m, so it's pretty unlilely to spread across borders that way.....
Unlikely? hmmmm maybe, but its happened before and they were quite suprised how quickly bluetooth viruses did spread between countrys (google brings alot of info if your curious)
Digital viruses know no borders, so why bring 'countries' into it? It makes no sense.

The only way a Bluetooth virus can spread is if the proposed victim waltzes around with their phone in 'discoverable mode', which equates to having locks on your doors at your house, but not using them - in other words, stupidity. Then the virus has to be sent to your phone within a 10m distance AND on top of that the user has to accept the virus, by basically saying 'yes' to a file they've never seen before. Arguably even more stupid... and perhaps equal to leaving a sign at the front of one's house to advertise the fact the front door is indeed unlocled.

So, in a nutshell, if someone gets a Bluetooth virus, it's down to user idiocy.

No need to Google this one... ;)

Finally, have a look at the amount of Blutooth devices in use, from PC's to phones, cars, toothbrushes (yes!), video game controllers, cameras, speakers, mp3 players - literally BILLIONS of all manner of devices... the list is endless. When was the last time you heard of someone (with half a brain) cathing one?
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Re: Computerised cars getting way too fancy

Unread post by prawns » March 15th, 2011, 3:24 pm

Perhaps I should of reworded "countries" to "continents" but to be honest I didnt think anybody here was going to be that anal

These viruses are just catching on, it took a while for your standard pc virus's to become common "in the wild" also, but these days they are everywhere as more and more people create them and they get better at propogating

I think creating a virus to specificaly attack a larger userbase than home computers provide would possibly even entice the low lifes to make them so I doubt its going to be a shrinking problem

Being that bluetooth viruses can spread in a similar fashion to pc viruses (eg trojan infected file sharing etc) your virtually saying everybody thats ever got a computer virus is also an idiot? - I assume you've never had a virus then of course ;) just us idiots over here :drink:
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Unread post by stockhorse » March 15th, 2011, 4:22 pm

dude, just make sure, if you park next to a 200 series, that your 60 is using protection :)
Hmmmmm are Hummers computerised?

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Unread post by philthesparky » March 16th, 2011, 7:20 pm

I just got the wife and comming baby a 04 BA Mk2 XR8, everything is computer controlled, even the accelerator is drive by wire. Its pretty much the complete opposite to my 2h diesel 60 :eek:

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Unread post by NQCruiser » March 16th, 2011, 9:37 pm

stockhorse wrote:dude, just make sure, if you park next to a 200 series, that your 60 is using protection :)
Hmmmmm are Hummers computerised?
Don't stress it too much - my 60 has been parked next to the 200 with no issues. The thing with computer viruses is that you have to have a computer to get one, and the 60 sure doesn't fit into that category!!!

However, my VY Calais is a different story.... The brake warning and seatbelt warnings have just started going off even though the brakes are good and the seatbelt is plugged in. Holden reckon I have to buy a new dash cluster for about $700!! I had to drive it to Brisbane and back this weekend just gone, so I pulled the dash cluster out and jammed the speaker full of good old Blu-Tak and then taped up all the vent holes to keep the noise in - :thumb: all good!!

I would have driven it into a tree in the first 50km if I had to have that damn beeper going off for 15.5 hrs....... :crazy:

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Unread post by Wilesy » March 17th, 2011, 10:37 am

I am astonished with the way vehicles are run by computers today.

I am at the moment studying the users manual on our new X5 MSport, and I have to say that I think I am learning to fly the space shuttle.

As soon as you insert the module into the ignition, and press the start button, the vehicle goes through a series of checks and even checks the air pressure in each tyre, it knows the key module you are using is yours, sets the climate control to what you desire, sets the seat position, including the height of the headrest, then adjusts the steering wheel height and rake, moves all of your mirrors to your preferred position, calculates how much weight you have in the vehicle at each corner, adjusts the air suspension accordingly, then sets the headlights to the weight in the car and then allows you to drive away…

If you need to put it into reverse, it turns on the parking assist and engages all 12 external HD cameras and notifies you even if you open any door that it may hit a vehicle parked along side of you.

It will even contact BMW via satellite the position of the vehicle if any electrical components fail, and BMW will contact you via internet ready to assist immediately via the Professional Navigation system screen, and you can text or talk directly to a BMW specialist to help you on your way.

It even books in the service automatically when your mileage reaches it’s service requirement…..

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Unread post by cac » March 17th, 2011, 11:06 am

hey wilesy....has it remembered your regular order at maccas yet :)??
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