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9000lb Winch

Unread post by Cynner » July 21st, 2011, 12:06 pm

Is a 9000lb winch going to be enough for a fully loaded troopy on 35"s? Has a lot of cargo.

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Re: 9000lb Winch

Unread post by ERASER » July 21st, 2011, 12:23 pm

No.
Get a 12000lb one and a snatch block.
my lux is only good for driving through puddles and i dont know anything.........
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Re: 9000lb Winch

Unread post by Cynner » July 21st, 2011, 2:36 pm

Thanks, is the Tigerz brand any good? They're on ebay 12,000 with wireless remote etc for 875.00 shipped.

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Re: 9000lb Winch

Unread post by ERASER » July 21st, 2011, 2:43 pm

I prefer Ironman as thats what ive run for the past 3 years and it hasnt let me down. I havent seen any tigerz so cant comment on them.
my lux is only good for driving through puddles and i dont know anything.........
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Re: 9000lb Winch

Unread post by CUSoon » July 21st, 2011, 5:51 pm

If you can't pull a fully loaded troopy out of trouble with a 9000lb winch and snatch block, you're doing something wrong?

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Re: 9000lb Winch

Unread post by Mick. » July 21st, 2011, 6:07 pm

I 9000 will be fine but something a touch bigger wouldn't do you any harm. The only real difference is the gearing and the size of the cable. 10 years ago 99% of winches where 9000 and they got 99% of people out of trouble too. :D

On the Tigerz11 winches they are apparently a good winch and they have fixed the teething problems they had with the earlier models. I just bought a 10,000 pound Tigerz11 comp winch for my Patrol.

I did pull it all apart and grease it properly as with all the winches I've ever owned as from factory they have stuff all in them. I've also put bigger cables on it and got rid of there dodgy isolator switch which I replaced with a quality one. You don't have to do this but I strongly recomend you grease any new winch you get as there's never much in them.

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Re: 9000lb Winch

Unread post by CUSoon » July 21st, 2011, 6:12 pm

Mick, what solenoid do you use? I changed mine over to an Albright solenoid and have had a good run out of it, although it's not quite as water proof as I was lead to believe.

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Re: 9000lb Winch

Unread post by Bala » July 21st, 2011, 6:18 pm

If you can't pull a fully loaded troopy out of trouble with a 9000lb winch and snatch block, you're doing something wrong?
Thats what I thought, Ive always got out with a 9000

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Re: 9000lb Winch

Unread post by stuie SR5 Hilux 04 » July 21st, 2011, 8:34 pm

Put a tiger 12000 on the frount of my hilux. synth rope was the best thing, so light. 12000 overkill for a hilux but is good for the bigger cars that i have to winch evey now and then (60 and 80 series and GU's). single line pull. Still 9000 can do the same job may work little harder but use a block and will have no probs at all.
Replaced isolator straight up and bigger power and earth cable. (isolator off CAT dumptruck) and only drama had was the switch for selecting the wireless remote and hand control filled with water,fitted new waterproof one. Cant fault tigers 12000. did put more grease in when fitted and turned gearbox.

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Re: 9000lb Winch

Unread post by Tomac » July 21st, 2011, 10:53 pm

Bala wrote:
If you can't pull a fully loaded troopy out of trouble with a 9000lb winch and snatch block, you're doing something wrong?
Thats what I thought, Ive always got out with a 9000
My 2003 troopy had a factory fitted X9 superwinch & its just been serviced & fitted to my 105. I always carry a snatch block too ;)
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Re: 9000lb Winch

Unread post by stockhorse » July 22nd, 2011, 12:56 am

Winch loads


Total pull required = Rolling Resistance (RR) + Gradient Resistance (GR) + Damage Resistance (DR) + Safety Factor.

RR = Vehicle Weight / Ground Factor when
Ground Factors
Smooth or hard road = 25
Grass = 7
Hard wet sand or gravel = 6
Soft wet sand = 5
Loose dirty sand most beaches = 4
Gibber desert = 3
Clay and black mud = 2
Vehicle completely submerged to chassis or higher = 1

GR = Vehicle weight divide by 60,multiplied by the angle of the slope or the full weight if above 45 degrees

DR = One locked wheel unable to turn locked up and no drive add 550lb

SF = 25% of the total of RR, GR and DR

So lets say my wagon weighs 3t is stuck in clay to the axles on a 25 degree slope with one wheel seized up (monumental stuck)

6614lb divided by 1 (RR) = 6614lb
6614lb divided by 60,multiplied by the angle of slope or full weight if above 45 degrees(GR) = 2755lb
add 550lb (DR)
Plus a safety factor (6614+2755+550 / 4 = 2479lb

So my winch is required to pull 12398lb on a single line add one snatch block and its 6199lb

so as you can see the weight accumulates very quickly so a larger (12000lb)winch may be beneficial.

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Re: 9000lb Winch

Unread post by Bala » July 22nd, 2011, 7:00 am

Total pull required = Rolling Resistance (RR) + Gradient Resistance (GR) + Damage Resistance (DR) + Safety Factor
I would think that the size, quality, type of rope and fixings would be of more of a saftey factor than the size of the winch.

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Re: 9000lb Winch

Unread post by Traveller43 » July 24th, 2011, 1:06 pm

Take a look at the Mako 9500lb winch. 4WD Action rated it highly and it is a similar price to the Tigerz winch. It comes standard with wire but has the Dynema synthetic rope as an option (extra $300)

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Re: 9000lb Winch

Unread post by Mick. » July 24th, 2011, 5:58 pm

CUSoon wrote:Mick, what solenoid do you use? I changed mine over to an Albright solenoid and have had a good run out of it, although it's not quite as water proof as I was lead to believe.
Sorry for the late reply mate I missed the post. :o

Mine come with the TG Thompson Sealed Solenoid which are supposed to be pretty good. I think there putting these in all the Tigerz11 winches now. Time will tell I guess but I'll be getting a spare just in case.

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Re: 9000lb Winch

Unread post by stuie SR5 Hilux 04 » August 21st, 2011, 10:14 am

just to add to the tigerz advantage and why bigger is always better lol. pulled out a 5 tonne tipper loaded with 3 tonne of scrap metal that was sitting on the diff the other night. did use a snatch block and had to winch him 4 seperate times and the winch did it with ease. didn't get hot or look like stopping. is fitted with synthetic rope. did have to put large blocks in front of all 4 tires to stop myself goin forward and the ground was soft so easy to drag him around.

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