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Nemesis
24-06-2005, 06:48 PM
Yeah i've been lazy. Anyone who came on the first NSW Watagans trip will probably recognise just how far my truck has come since then. Interestingly enough the next day trip Nath is organising will be back to the same area so i'm keen as mustard to see the different truck in action.

Anyways, unfortunately I don't think I have any pics of the truck as it was when I first bought it. I used to be into the car scene, untill one day after scoring my full time job with Boral I thought it would be cool to drive over things, as opposed to around them at a hundred miles an hour.

The completely uninformed decision sold me a 1994 Toyota 4Runner RV6. Though i'm now haunted by the IFS, it's a decision I don't regret at all. I love the size of the vehicle mainly, it's still a good size, but it's not a behemoth Patrol or Cruiser.

When I first picked it up it was stock as a rock, complete with sagging rear springs and the 16" cheese cutters. I can't even remember taking any pictures with the cutters on, but this one is from when it was standard apart from my newest investment at the time, some Cooper ST's in 31". They were great little tyres, and now reside on 4310Warrior's Patrol.

Isn't it cute ;D

http://www.users.on.net/%7Ebryntrace/NemCar.jpg

I've done absolute bucket loads to her now, so this thread will go for a while. I don't have all the photo's on hand right now, so they will have to come later.
Also, anyone who hasn't heard, i'm only a month or two off the 1UZ transplant.

Nemesis
24-06-2005, 06:52 PM
Here's a pic from the Watagans trip. Still pretty much bog standard, but it did ok. Only needed one snatch, but I had to snatch a GQ up behind me so not all was lost!

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/Watagans/Nem/NemClimb.jpg

Edit: Noting the date on the picture, it shows how quickly the transformation has taken place. I didn't realise Watagans was that recent....

Nemesis
24-06-2005, 07:02 PM
The first suspension mod I did was to get an awesome upgrade years ago to Pedders TrakRyder stuff (note sarcasm.) Actually the springs are still going strong, and it did improve a little, but I soon discovered that the rear shocks were way too short. Especially when I started tackelling bigger rocks and removing swaybars etc.

There it remained up untill late last year when I sold my much missed AUII XR8 baby. I didn't want to keep running 2 cars, and my missus who was running the 4Runner daily was getting sick of the big size and fuel economy. When it came to the crunch I nearly sold the Toyo, but ended up bailing at the last minute as I decided I wanted to get into 4WDing alot more......

RIP you big beautiful roaring beasty!

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/cars/Nemscar003.jpg

Nemesis
24-06-2005, 07:12 PM
From the sale of the XR I had a given budget allocated to the truck of about $5k or so. Up untill I sold the ute I had planned on using this on getting an SAS done. But I ended up working out that i'd get a hell of alot more done to the truck if I do heaps of cheaper stuff, instead of the one mod. I wish I had done the SAS ofcourse, but it will happen one day.

First up was a trip down to Overkill engineering where I had a rear ARB Air Locker installed. Not cheap, but a great investment....... I don't have any pics of this but I assume you's all know what an airlocker switch looks like ;)

The other major slice of the budget went towards a nice set of the awesome Mickey Thompson Claws (33") and some fully sic sunnies to wear them. Ofcourse before doing this I had to perform the usual 2" body lift. I got out of this pretty cheap thanks to the help of Craig (High and Mighty) who used to sell the blocks.
I do have pics somewhere of the process, but not here so if I find them, watch this space......

Here it is though after fitting the Mickeys, brand spanking new. As you can see the body lift had only just been done, and I still wasn't sure what to do as far as the bullbar goes...

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/cars/Picture%20015.jpg

Nemesis
24-06-2005, 07:21 PM
Here's a pic from the same day I think. When I decided that instead of taking it somewhere, i'd have a crack at the bar myself.

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/cars/Picture%20018.jpg

After alot of cursing and refitting I ended up getting it done. It involved some drilling and angle grinding, and lots of adjustments to get it straight (ish ;) )

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/Stockton/camp.jpg

24-06-2005, 07:23 PM
need pics of the fully sic sub mate!! 8)

btw... that thing has a heap of articulation in the ass end.... good thing about springs 8)

boof
24-06-2005, 07:27 PM
Be interested to see the build up sure looks different to that photo now also keen to see how the 8 conversion goes as you and twisty have me sold on the idea so be good to see how you go about it

taziiy
24-06-2005, 08:07 PM
yeah i remeber the first trip nemisis it is a totally different truck now ;D

sampson
24-06-2005, 11:10 PM
wiked truck mate like ya style wat lift do u have in it now did u fit the claws under it with just the body lift and no suspension lift

Loz
26-06-2005, 08:41 AM
Nice tidy unit, should be even funner with more ponies!

simonsurf
27-06-2005, 11:02 AM
'Bout bloody time Nem ;D

Maybe you should have gone 3" with the body lift - might still have a left rear bumper........... :D

Nemesis
27-06-2005, 11:31 AM
wiked truck mate like ya style wat lift do u have in it now did u fit the claws under it with just the body lift and no suspension lift


Well, when Pedders did the suspension it was meant to be a 2" lift as per normal. So if thats true it's 4" all up, plus I added 15mm spacers in the rear for a little extra height for the Rancho RS9000x's. I'll mention that when I get the next chapter done ;)

simonsurf
27-06-2005, 02:51 PM
Front locker in yet?

Nemesis
30-06-2005, 06:49 PM
Yesss, but i'm not up to that :P


Anyways. I can't find more build photo's yet, or is that I haven't looked???
Like I was saying, I soon discovered that the Pedders Foam Cell shocks are way too short for what I want. So a bit of research and measuring saw me buy a pair of Rancho's RS9000x adjustable shocks for the back. It made a hell of a difference to the articulation of the truck. Just to give the shocks a little more room to move, I added a small coil spacer. It's got more than a lift at the rear for now, without having to modify the panhard rod.

Here's the truck when it had the Pedders shocks, and no swaybars. It's pretty woefall, but mind you taking the swaybar off added a extra 2" or so downtravel, which indicates how tight it was before.

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/beforeafter/before.jpg

Same spot. Notice the back wheel is off the ground. It's not the worst flex going, but could be better....

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/beforeafter/before2.jpg

Nemesis
30-06-2005, 06:53 PM
You can see the big difference made here. The rock it's on is a few meters to the side of the one in the last pic, but it's twice the size. It's now still making contact with the ground with the Rancho's...

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/beforeafter/after2.jpg

Getting pretty darn capable for an IFS truck...

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/beforeafter/snake.jpg
Anyone who follows me through trails now comment on how smooth and well the rear end moves....... :D

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/beforeafter/after.jpg

Nemesis
30-06-2005, 06:57 PM
Gets plenty of uptravel too, which I think helps all up...

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/ifs/ifsdown.jpg


It's pretty hard for me to get a back wheel in the air now. They always seem to be on the ground...

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/sugarloaf/backhigh.jpg
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0YAAFA8scAlIKzk9LrhBayDKR2yxRecVaxGBeJMXDL!vE9adOM qT*dN7FwJFwy8sITh*iaztFcqJCjyFYkptmrISMSGqvWk!8hPG 3A1RdZGWP94RJgKZsk1jZzxU0d!x9RpNRNBVzYyrXcmkCTW96a Q/2004_03124wd0049.JPG?dc=4675511864064619930

Unless the ground is meters below the bottom of the tyre ;D

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/sugarloaf/heeyyaa.jpg

30-06-2005, 07:10 PM
i love watchin that thing off-road.. articulates pretty darn good for IFS :) goin well mate!!

boof
30-06-2005, 07:12 PM
thats some awesome articulation out of the rear to get that out of leafs would cost me a small fortune do think a 4 runner rear would go under a lux ;D

Nemesis
30-06-2005, 07:25 PM
It would be interesting to say the least. I think plenty have done similar under lux's. Using a 4Runner rear or even a Rover coil setup etc.
Outerlimits4x4 would be the place to research that....

boof
30-06-2005, 07:31 PM
cheers mate i was really impressed by yours at rover

simonsurf
30-06-2005, 10:55 PM
Do you leave your front sway bar on all the time Bryan? I undo mine when I could be bothered and it makes a big difference to the front flex. Veeeeery exciting for short blacktop trips too :o

Nemesis
30-06-2005, 11:30 PM
Swaybar? What swaybar? ::)

Twisty
01-07-2005, 08:20 AM
Cool buildup Bryan ;) your trucks changed a lot since we first started talking, can't wait for the Drags next year at Battle of the States, Lexus V8 4Runner vs. Lexus V8 4Runner..... ;D

boof
01-07-2005, 10:34 AM
Cool buildup Bryan ;) your trucks changed a lot since we first started talking, can't wait for the Drags next year at Battle of the States, Lexus V8 4Runner vs. Lexus V8 4Runner..... ;D


And hopefully both beaten by lexus v8 hilux lol ;D

simonsurf
01-07-2005, 08:58 PM
Swaybar? What swaybar? ::)


Shhhhhhhhhhhhh ;)

Nemesis
22-07-2005, 11:28 AM
I still haven't got round to the stereo and sound deadening yet, not that I have many photo's.....

But now....... Someones off to www.sssautomotive.com.au to pick "something" up :D :D :D :D :D :D

Twisty
22-07-2005, 11:50 AM
Hell yeah!!!! So its finally started!!! Your going to have a fun weekend then....sitting with your new motor the whole time.......I spent hours looking at mine when I first picked it up!!!!!

Nemesis
22-07-2005, 03:43 PM
I'm at work, and it's out the back of the weighbridge on the trailer. I get all night as well :D

They threw in part of the custom exhaust from the donor car, including two big cats (save me $100's) and a nice Y pipe, which probably won't fit. It's a very neat 2 x 2.5" into a 3".......

They also kept the ECU's, and Sideshow will pick them up when i'm ready to wire it, that way the warranty doesn't start till then, which is a good idea.....

Brendan
22-07-2005, 04:06 PM
It's a beast mate!

Twisty
23-07-2005, 11:15 AM
So what was the final damage $$ wise for the new donk?

taziiy
23-07-2005, 01:21 PM
sounds like its getting very interesting now :o

Nemesis
23-07-2005, 07:22 PM
So what was the final damage $$ wise for the new donk?


Well, all up it was $1500. Thats for the 1UZ with everything on it like A/C, power steer pump, Alternator etc.. The ECU's. The full intake and airbox, including air flow meter. And they even chucked in some of the exhaust which had two high flow cats on it, saving me big pennies.....

Here we are picking up the goods at SSS Automotive in Girraween NSW.
(jeez the pic shows up the surface rust on the trailer)

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/1UZ001.jpg


And the donk itself. Pretty darn clean compared to all the others i'd seen. I'm still going to go over it though, a few little stains here and there...

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/1UZ002.jpg

23-07-2005, 08:04 PM
it's all go now mate!! can't wait to see you and twisty side by side at Rover Park next year!! will sound tops!!! ;D ;D ;D although, you can legally put a louder exhaust on yours ;D ;D

23-07-2005, 08:17 PM
nice lookin donk. should be able to shatter some diffs with that ;D should make it get up and go nicely, whens it going in

Nemesis
23-07-2005, 08:38 PM
Well, all going to plan, the V6 will start getting pulled sometime within the next fortnight....

taziiy
23-07-2005, 09:08 PM
sounds like a lot of fun it will be good getting out on the tracks with you when its all finished ;D

boof
24-07-2005, 06:50 PM
nice example and a decent price too cant wait to see the build up

taziiy
24-07-2005, 10:37 PM
look what i found about this time last year what you where doing with it http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/index.php?board=12;action=display;threadid=3758

Twisty
25-07-2005, 08:48 AM
Hey Bryan, I'm not sure if those exhaust manifolds will fit in the 4runner engine bay. I've got Crown ones on mine which hug the motor a lot more than the ones you've got on. But yours would definitely flow better. Just something to keep in mind.

Nemesis
25-07-2005, 08:50 AM
How close do yours come to the body as is?

Twisty
25-07-2005, 09:20 AM
Pretty close. These a sh!t photos...but they should give you an idea.

This is the drivers side, where it is close to the steering column.
http://www.4wdlinks.com.au/albums/album285/abf.sized.jpg

This is the passenger side.
http://www.4wdlinks.com.au/albums/album285/abg.sized.jpg

Nemesis
25-07-2005, 09:44 AM
hmm.... I wonder if I should swap them out, or do a tial and error run..

Twisty
25-07-2005, 09:51 AM
Dunno....yours would deffinetly flow better.....maybe try and get a set of crown manifolds just in case, so when it does come time to fit, its only a quick 15 mins or so to swap them over....

Guts
25-07-2005, 08:17 PM
I too have crown ones and they are very close to the chassi rails, but from the looks of your pics dave my motor sits ALOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lower down in my engine bay. I did this to keep my COG as low as possible 8) At a guess I`d say the bolt up flange on them is about 20mm off the rails and only about 10mm above them. But my frame is also different to yours in that area as my is a solid axle ;D

Nemesis
01-08-2005, 11:19 AM
Well i've started cracking open the motor. She's pretty grimy inside and needs a good clean out. Still having trouble getting into the garage with it, still a long story but should be working indoors soon.

Here's the temporary workshop. Man it's easy when it's not in a car!

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/tempworkshop.jpg



Anyone got any clues on how to rejuvinate black pastic that's fading to grey in places?

Twisty
01-08-2005, 11:25 AM
Anyone got any clues on how to rejuvinate black pastic that's fading to grey in places?



I just kept soaking mine in WD40.....they eventually came up smick!!

Nice workshop BTW ;)

Nemesis
01-08-2005, 01:45 PM
Question for ya Dave:

This assembly here is apparently an oil pump for a hydraulic fan:

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/service/frontbottom.jpg

Now that i've got that bracket off, I can see that ones fed and one is the pressured line as the pump rotates. Obviously I don't need it, and seeing as yours is a Celsior too, what did you do with yours? Did you somehow just replace the pump with a bearing maybe?

Twisty
01-08-2005, 02:03 PM
Scott from Venom got me the bracket off another model 1UZ which doesnt use the hydralic pump to drive the fan. It bolts staright on and allows you to just use it as a idler bearing.

Not sure what model it was but?

Maybe search the Lextreme forum, I did read something about it on there once.

Nemesis
01-08-2005, 04:33 PM
Yeah i'll have a search around thanks.

I might pull it apart too and see how hard it'd be to swap it for a bearing assembly, may be cheaper and less running around...

Twisty
01-08-2005, 04:47 PM
Yeah I've heard of something like that being done too.......be sure to post what you end up doing with it.

trewpy
03-08-2005, 11:44 PM
thats gunna be a beast dude you will be up ranger bobs no probs!! ;D

simonsurf
05-08-2005, 10:38 AM
Have to rename ranger bob's as no prob bob's soon :D

Nemesis
05-08-2005, 03:24 PM
Nice new bling water pump fitted ;D

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/service/new%20pump.jpg

Guts
05-08-2005, 04:56 PM
Hay since you have now had practice in replacing the water pump do you want to come and do mine. ;D

I should have the $$$ to do mine within the next week or two 8)

Nemesis
05-08-2005, 09:53 PM
Hehehe it's not that hard once the timing belt's out of the way. I thought you'd already.... Oh thats right it starting pissing out after you changed the belt eh?

GUHOON
05-08-2005, 11:44 PM
Hey Bryan , Does that motor have only one cam belt pulley on each head or two?
And i hope you lined up top dead and marked everything first ;)

Guts
06-08-2005, 11:00 AM
Hehehe it's not that hard once the timing belt's out of the way. I thought you'd already.... Oh thats right it starting pissing out after you changed the belt eh?


I haven`t changed anything on my 1uz other then fan belt. Was always going to do it after I had it engineered and re rego`d but the water pump started leaking badly on its iron the bugs out first trip.

Nemesis
06-08-2005, 01:58 PM
Hey Bryan , Does that motor have only one cam belt pulley on each head or two?
And i hope you lined up top dead and marked everything first ;)


One pulley each side. And yeah, i've done a timing belt before :P


Guts: I decided to do it all while it's sitting on the floor of the garage. Figured it's good insurance and a hell of alot easier than doing it in the truck ;)

GUHOON
06-08-2005, 03:01 PM
Is it going yet ;D

Nemesis
06-08-2005, 06:27 PM
Yep, it's all finished. Although I had to pull the V8 out and put the V6 back in just to test something :P

06-08-2005, 07:24 PM
Yep, it's all finished. Although I had to pull the V8 out and put the V6 back in just to test something :P
ROFL its nice to dream aint it Bryan, at least your dream will come true soon ;D

Guts
06-08-2005, 07:51 PM
Ya it is nice to dream. I had a nightmare come true today. Had a good look at my motor and have come to the conclusion that it has done a head gasket aswell as the water pump aswell as the P/S pump :( So it looks like I want be doing the timing belt and water pump on this motor, I`ll just be buying a new motor ::) since it ends up about the same $$$$ for another 1uz as it would in parts without taking the time into it.

Nemesis
06-08-2005, 10:09 PM
Do you think there'd be any relation between the dead water pump and the head gasket? As in the lack of coolant from the leak cooked the motor......

Guts
06-08-2005, 10:44 PM
No, I think I have just unlucky because of the fact it has been sitting for so long ::)

Nemesis
07-08-2005, 10:23 AM
Oh well, and to think I was going to do as asked and fit a new pump for ya :P ;)

Nemesis
07-08-2005, 03:58 PM
Inspired by simply seeing a can of throttle body cleaner in an auto shop I thought i'd pull the 1UZ's body off for a check and clean. Lucky I did!

Here's the intake of the throttle body before cleaning, on the inside....

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/service/tbbefore.jpg

Have a go at all the gunk in there, that's where clean air is meant to flow....

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/service/tbbefore2.jpg


This pic didn't come out that clear, but it shows the difference afterwards. I'd say alot of cars rough idling etc would have something to do with this. Checked yours lately?

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/service/tbafter.jpg

taziiy
07-08-2005, 04:02 PM
there is a big difference thats for sure

BLU-125
07-08-2005, 09:32 PM
Did the Jip on Friday......it works!

Nemesis
08-08-2005, 08:31 PM
Well, I can't think of anythign else I can do whilst waiting for a few ignition parts to arrive, and i've already got my CRS converison kit here. So i'm pretty darn sure tomorrow will be the big day where the V6 starts its extraction ;D

Nemesis
09-08-2005, 07:26 PM
Well, after last night deciding there's no point procrastinating, me and my mate John spent half a day making headway in the extraction.
We went for a drive to Penrith and spoke to the guy whome i'm going to get to do the engine mounts, then came back home and managed to squeeze it in out of the way in the garage. The place where it will live for the next week or so while the engine is pulled, and everything is prepared for the swap...

Here's the garage:

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/V6Extraction/workshop.jpg


Work in progress, having removed the bullbar etc:

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/V6Extraction/started.jpg

And finally, the end of day 1. Just about everything is off the motor now, just mucking around with the loom, and it's ready to be pulled..... hopefully....

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/V6Extraction/endofday1.jpg

boof
09-08-2005, 07:34 PM
good to see it underway hope it all goes according to plan

RED60
09-08-2005, 08:14 PM
Tools n junk on the floor everywhere. Where's that 12mm socket gone again? Looks like summit I'd do. :)

taziiy
09-08-2005, 08:15 PM
not a bad days effort well looks like there is no turning back now

Nemesis
09-08-2005, 09:02 PM
Tools n junk on the floor everywhere. Where's that 12mm socket gone again? Looks like summit I'd do. :)


Yeah thats at the end of the day, it was organised chaos during the day, with stuff spread outside the open door. To pack up we just chucked it all in the door and closed it hehehe....

at4wd
09-08-2005, 11:13 PM
Hey Nemesis,

I like the project you have taken on.....I especially like the broom leaning against the garage wall after you obviously set the car in the garage and cleaned the canvas ready for the dismantle. I love working in a clean environment as well.

I also laughed at the pic where at the end of the day you have just chucked everything in and closed the door.....its someting I would do... ;D to tired to put it all away for the night.

I am also watching with interest as I wonder if I could pull the straight six in my live axle 100 series and drop that V8 puppy in. ::)

Keep up the good work, by the way where in Sydney ru?

Regards,

Stuart.

Nemesis
10-08-2005, 09:01 AM
It's actually carpet, not canvas ;) ;D I've been doing that for ages now, when working on cars. A mate of mine is a carpet layer, so getting offcuts is easy, it makes working under trucks a joy!

As for Sydney, I currently live at Blaxland in the Lower Mountains..

Nemesis
10-08-2005, 03:45 PM
Trudged through another couple of hours before work today (3pm starts has it's pro's) but didn't make any huge dent. The main reason being most bolts faced haven't been undone for 11 years now, so alot of blood sweat and tears.
Having said that, it's just about ready to go. The driveshafts are out, the crossmembers out etc etc......

10-08-2005, 06:28 PM
Trudged through another couple of hours before work today (3pm starts has it's pro's) but didn't make any huge dent. The main reason being most bolts faced haven't been undone for 11 years now, so alot of blood sweat and tears.
Having said that, it's just about ready to go. The driveshafts are out, the crossmembers out etc etc......
why did you have to remove the drive shafts and crossmembers?

BushTuckerNed
10-08-2005, 06:30 PM
im not sure if this has been said b4. but with these v8 conversions, do u have to get bigger diffs? or are the hilux/4runner ones strong enuff?

Nemesis
10-08-2005, 06:53 PM
Trudged through another couple of hours before work today (3pm starts has it's pro's) but didn't make any huge dent. The main reason being most bolts faced haven't been undone for 11 years now, so alot of blood sweat and tears.
Having said that, it's just about ready to go. The driveshafts are out, the crossmembers out etc etc......
why did you have to remove the drive shafts and crossmembers?


Because i'm going to pull out the gearbox as well. To make it easier as rooms limited i'm pulling the box out underneath, then i'll pull the motor out alone from above.....

Nemesis
10-08-2005, 07:04 PM
im not sure if this has been said b4. but with these v8 conversions, do u have to get bigger diffs? or are the hilux/4runner ones strong enuff?


Short and sweet: Yes.

The Hilux/4Runner runs an 8 inch diff center, which unless exceptionally abused is more than strong enough. About the only thing stronger would be something bigger like a Ford 9", but that's big $, and overkill for a 1UZ.

Hilux's don't have a strong enough manual gearbox though, thats the cost saving side of the V6 4Runner. They have and R150 gearbox, which is the same as the reputable Supra Turbo box, apart from different gearing.....

boof
10-08-2005, 07:23 PM
was told the newer luxs run a r154 and is similiar but stronger again than the runner dont know for certain though

10-08-2005, 07:36 PM
im not sure if this has been said b4. but with these v8 conversions, do u have to get bigger diffs? or are the hilux/4runner ones strong enuff?


Short and sweet: Yes.

The Hilux/4Runner runs an 8 inch diff center, which unless exceptionally abused is more than strong enough. About the only thing stronger would be something bigger like a Ford 9", but that's big $, and overkill for a 1UZ.

Hilux's don't have a strong enough manual gearbox though, thats the cost saving side of the V6 4Runner. They have and R150 gearbox, which is the same as the reputable Supra Turbo box, apart from different gearing.....


mate...... there are lots of things stronger than a hilux diff ;) especially the front.

How long before you think you'll have the beast finished?

Nemesis
10-08-2005, 08:50 PM
was told the newer luxs run a r154 and is similiar but stronger again than the runner dont know for certain though


Yeah maybe, I was refering to the older Lux's that most people do conversions on anyway.
Besides, I doubt an R154 would be stronger, as that is the Supra Turbo box i think lol

Nemesis
10-08-2005, 08:53 PM
im not sure if this has been said b4. but with these v8 conversions, do u have to get bigger diffs? or are the hilux/4runner ones strong enuff?


Short and sweet: Yes.

The Hilux/4Runner runs an 8 inch diff center, which unless exceptionally abused is more than strong enough. About the only thing stronger would be something bigger like a Ford 9", but that's big $, and overkill for a 1UZ.

Hilux's don't have a strong enough manual gearbox though, thats the cost saving side of the V6 4Runner. They have and R150 gearbox, which is the same as the reputable Supra Turbo box, apart from different gearing.....


mate...... there are lots of things stronger than a hilux diff ;) especially the front.

How long before you think you'll have the beast finished?


Depends on what application you're reffering too. In an offroad environment I know that there are stronger diffs available. I was talking about generic power handling in a normal driving application. A big thing these days for big power ricers is to use Hilux diffs with an airlocker for drag/burnouts etc...

As for the front diffs in IFSm, yeah they're piss weak.

And finishing...... God knows, probably not as soon as hoped. Maybe a month....

Nemesis
11-08-2005, 03:27 PM
Well, she's out! Alot more involved that what most people have told me, I think their "experience" extended to less technical engines. There was so much shyte to take off/unplug/undo..... The engine mounts and bellhousing was the easy part....

Time was so fine I had to race to work, but the engine is out and on the ground. I obviously won't have a chance to upload the photo's till late (read 12pm) tonight.......

Nemesis
12-08-2005, 09:56 AM
Ok, finally got time for a few pics.

Here's moi trying to get the bastard exhaust off. Bastard because it's all one piece and we simply couldn't get near the exhaust manifold to undo it. One advantage of having decent ground clearance is the lack of need for a jack when work underneath :D

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/V6Extraction/exhaustremoval.jpg


Final checks before the tooth is pulled. (Turns out I missed the backwards bolt into the bellhousing from the starter motor, which was half an hours pain in the ass)

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/V6Extraction/finalchecks.jpg


This ones for all those who reckoned the crane would get the motor over the front without taking the wheels off :P

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/V6Extraction/upupandaway.jpg


And finally, with it out and only 20 mins to get ready, pack up and get to work it was all chucked into the corner where it sits (for another 10 mins till I get out there)

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/V6Extraction/out.jpg

RED60
12-08-2005, 09:52 PM
Hope ya came home erly to start puttin the 8 in :) :) :)

Guts
12-08-2005, 10:10 PM
A good trick for when working on lifted 4x4s is to just let all the air out of the front tyres.

Twisty
15-08-2005, 02:02 PM
Looking good bryan, brings back a lot of memory's when mine was at that stage.....hope it all keeps going smoothly for you.

I used to always forget about that damm starter motor bolt too!!

Nemesis
16-08-2005, 09:04 AM
Not alot to report. Just alot of time consuming fiddley things being organised like cleaning, and setting up the clutch etc.

Pending payment though, the good news is that i've got a buyer for the V6!

GUHOON
16-08-2005, 10:09 PM
A good trick for when working on lifted 4x4s is to just let all the air out of the front tyres.


I was just about to mention that too but the donk's already out ::) ahhh well.
How much you get offered for the V6?

Nemesis
16-08-2005, 10:32 PM
Signed, sealed, just awaiting payment of $2300 for just the motor ;D

That's great for me, and obviously a good buy for him compared to wreckers prices....

GUHOON
16-08-2005, 11:23 PM
Sounds good , pays for the V8 and money left over ;D

Nemesis
16-08-2005, 11:42 PM
Exactly, which was the whole idea of doing the conversion while the V6 is healthy, and not waiting for it's death....

TOY80ST
17-08-2005, 03:05 PM
Are you getting the side rebadged V8 or leaving it for a surprise.

Nemesis
17-08-2005, 03:13 PM
I'm not sure yet. I like the security behind not advertising it, for when it's parked etc. Having said that, I did buy two chrome V8 badges a while ago which are sitting around somewhere.
Kitch76 offered to make up some RV8 stickers to replace the old RV6 ones, which would be pretty cool. Probably subtle enough for few to notice....

boof
22-08-2005, 06:15 PM
hows it coming along nem any more progress

Nemesis
23-08-2005, 12:29 AM
Yep, today it left me. On the back of a truck to go to the guys doing the mounts. They're busy for most of this week, but he's going to try and check it, then hook into it next week. So I get to sit back and relax for a fortnight (working on the truck every day gets a bit tiring.)

I've got some pics, will post in the morning.

Nemesis
23-08-2005, 01:16 PM
Bumped to page 3

Twisty
23-08-2005, 06:47 PM
Oh the memories.....how you sleeping these days? I was shocking when my truck was at this stage.....had some cool dreams of it up and running but 8)

Hope you get yours back quicker than I did!!

Nemesis
23-08-2005, 06:55 PM
Used another vehicle to tow it up to the street awaiting it's chauffer to it's new temporary home.

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/totheworkshop/waitingfortow.jpg


The 1UZ bearer. A vehicle which had 16 cylinders all up for a while there...... ;)

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/totheworkshop/ute.jpg

All loaded up and on the way. Looks quite big for a 4Runner on the back of the truck hey ;)

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/totheworkshop/freight.jpg

And finally, at it's new temporary home just after being unloaded...

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/totheworkshop/temphome.jpg

Nemesis
23-08-2005, 06:56 PM
Oh the memories.....how you sleeping these days? I was shocking when my truck was at this stage.....had some cool dreams of it up and running but 8)

Hope you get yours back quicker than I did!!


The anxiety hasn't taken hold just yet. I think it's good to have a few days off, was getting sick of working on it day in day out.

As for speed, hes' pre-warned me he's busy this week so hopefully it won't be too long.

Boxa
23-08-2005, 06:57 PM
This is going to be huge Nemisis. I am liking this build alot ;D

simonsurf
27-08-2005, 07:25 PM
It better be ready for the next trip Bryan. I'm getting sick of showing everyone how it's done in an IFS all by myself ;D ;D ;D ;D

Nemesis
27-08-2005, 08:11 PM
I'll be there don't worry. Someone's gotta show them how IFS handles a couple'a hundred ponies :o

boof
28-08-2005, 04:59 PM
be awesome when its finished nem are you keeping a quiet note like daves or going noisier

Nemesis
30-08-2005, 12:26 AM
Quite? I think Daves' is more than audible hehehe. If I could get it to pur like his i'd be a happy man. I love smooth sounding V8's, not harsh cackling ones...

GUHOON
06-09-2005, 06:50 PM
Got it back yet Nem , or is it still in the shop????

Nemesis
12-09-2005, 10:01 AM
Nah it's still there. A few of their big jobs like a huuuuge 75 series have had them tied up. They claim that this week is the week.

Not all is lost though, alot of the stuff I still had to do when I got it back i've been going there and doing in his workshop.

I've booked Sideshow Performance for the 23rd this month, and I told him that. He said no worries, they'll definately have it all good to go by then...

Nemesis
15-09-2005, 04:24 PM
Finally some action on the Western Front......

I went there today and the guys have finally finished the current jobs and have hooked into my truck. I'm so glad i stuck with them, the work is excellent and their ideas even better.

Turns out they've used the original 1UZ engine mounts. Which join to the original V6 engine mounts. And are fabricating a simple, yet super strong bracket with 8mm plate off the chassis. It's going to be so simple, so strong, and so basic if the time comes i need to replace a mount.

I only had a camera phone on hand, but here's a few pics of the work today. He thinks the motor will be bolted in by tonight, then he just has to do the gearbox end....

Here's the original Lexus mount still in place. Bolted to that is the top half of the V6 mount. The plate under that is off the chassis mount. This section will be re-welded in the right position. Talk about factory looking.

http://www.nems-images.com/images/mount1.jpg

And here we have the work in progress. This is the main plate that the mounts will be adapted to. That's 8mm plate which is almost overkill, so it should be plenty strong enough.

http://www.nems-images.com/images/mount2.jpg

TOY80ST
15-09-2005, 04:26 PM
Great stuff mate, you go round there tomorow afternoon and get some pics to post. cant wait to see em.
P.

Twisty
15-09-2005, 04:27 PM
Your setup is going to be better than mine I think nem, with the mounts being mounted horizontal. I think that why I keep ripping the rubber in mine as my mounts bolt up to the original chassis mount like \ /

Good to see some progress!!!

Twisty
19-09-2005, 10:43 AM
So Nem, any pics of the V8 in the engine bay?

any more news on the progress yet?

Nemesis
19-09-2005, 05:19 PM
Well I haven't heard anything, but that's a good thing. Last Thursday he said he'll call me if there's any issues.....

I'll hopefully get down there tommorrow.

GUHOON
26-09-2005, 06:16 PM
Whats happening Bryan ???

-BJ-
27-09-2005, 05:27 PM
You and Twisty will have to have a race once your engine is in !! :D

Nemesis
27-09-2005, 06:16 PM
I've been away since Saturday, hence no update.

Anyways, it's all looking to finish with a snowball effect. Sideshow came and wired the motor and everything on Friday. I still haven't connected any fuel lines etc yet so the test start was with a can of Aerostart into the fuel rails, and with no exhaust manifolds at all!

Best part is it started like that first go, and the oil pressure built instantly. But damn it was loud, and good!

Oh and the work by Chris and Ben at Hi Tech is awesome. Looks so strong, so factory, and so unbelievably easy to get to.

This is looking through the wheel arch at the mount (check out the access to it Dave!):

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/almostthere/throughguard.jpg

The actual engine mount from above:

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/almostthere/mount.jpg

And the engine in place. When this was taken the gearbox hadn't been raised (raising it to utilise the body lift) so the motor is leaning back a bit. It will sit more level than this. And be cleaner ;)

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/almostthere/in.jpg

Twisty
27-09-2005, 06:51 PM
Looking awesome Bryan!!!

How much longer do you think it will be before the first drive?

Also what was Sideshow's bill in the end?

Nemesis
27-09-2005, 09:31 PM
Not sure on the first drive. I've got to track down an air intake pipe, and sort the exhaust. The rest is simple stuff as you know so it will depend on them two I guess.

And Jim charged as quoted $700 to do the whole lot. He even wired up the relay for my thermo fan, and showed me how to adapt the temp switch to it. Not to mention extending the required wires to the other side of the bay where the battery now sits. Can't argue, and a top looking job. Will get some better photo's asap...

Humpy
27-09-2005, 09:54 PM
Looking good Nem

I bet your hanging to drive it

fourocker
27-09-2005, 10:52 PM
That looks like a damn good job on the mounts and the donk just looks like it was meant to be in there. I'll be keeping a sharp eye and ear out round the local traps for this baby as I live round the corner (Winmalee), i'm surprised we've not crossed pathes before actually. You must be on edge with it being almost there but hang in there it'll be worth it. ;D ;D ;D

28-09-2005, 07:44 AM
looking good Bryan, looks like they did a top job of the engine mounts

Nemesis
28-09-2005, 10:10 AM
Yeah i'm happy as. If you want anything done to do with the fourbies Mark, go see him. He does anything and everything.

taziiy
28-09-2005, 08:57 PM
that looks impressive so wheni s the trip home with it or is it there already

Nemesis
28-09-2005, 09:44 PM
Nah it's still there. I've been working on it there, which is inconvenient as I have to travel there (only 10 mins.) But at the same time it's handy as it's in the heart of Penrith, so anything I need is at the door step.

Hopefully i'll have just about everything done by time the gearbox is finished being mounted, that way I can drive it home. And not have to pay to tow it back...

28-09-2005, 10:12 PM
Yeah i'm happy as. If you want anything done to do with the fourbies Mark, go see him. He does anything and everything.

where exactly is this guy located and whats the business called?

Nemesis
28-09-2005, 10:29 PM
It's at Hi Tech Vehicle Check. They're at 8 Production Pl, just off Batt St.

They advertise in 4WDM magazine, their add is towards the back somewhere......

crusher
28-09-2005, 10:58 PM
Nice Job Nem looking forward to seeing the finished result at the next forum trip

trewpy
29-09-2005, 12:39 AM
lookin forward to seeing and hearin that puppy purrrrr

Just Cruizin
29-09-2005, 04:13 PM
Let us know how those engine mounts go. I had them in my old 3.8 runner and they'd last about a week, ended up changing them to a different style with the same mounting points and height but a more positive attachment, got them from Coventry auto. I'll post the part number if I can find it.

Twisty
29-09-2005, 04:22 PM
Yep, had the same problem with those brand mounts too......they were originally installed with my V8 conversion..and only lasted a couple of months...

I've got new genuine toyota ones ready to install next week....

Nemesis
29-09-2005, 04:25 PM
Yeah they're kind of a go between. The new ones are en-route form Japan.......

Twisty
29-09-2005, 04:41 PM
Cool....I thought you were going to stick with the genuine ones....It'd be interesting to see how those ones last on yours since of the way you have yours mounted.....I reckon they'd have to last a little longer.

Nemesis
29-09-2005, 04:45 PM
Yeah I hope so. They'll only suffer from lateral stress when the engine twists. Unlike angle mounted ones which are under the lateral strain always, plus torque flex etc.

The tailshaft guys are shortening the rear one tommorrow. Thanks to you Dave I know what to do before hand ;)

And, the radiators getting picked up too. I'm getting it serviced, plus getting the inlets and outlets swapped around to suit the hose positioning on the 1UZ.

-BJ-
29-09-2005, 07:05 PM
What was your main reason for converting to the V8 ? Do you get better economy as well as power ? Did you consider getting an LS1, or did you want to keep it all Toyota ?

The reason I ask is if I still have my Hilux when the commy V6 dies I was thinking of an LS1 but I dont know how they would go offroad.

Nemesis
29-09-2005, 07:25 PM
Well, it's not actually running yet. But from reports back from Twisty the economy is on par in some respects, and better in others. Coupled with a 100% power gain it's a winner.

The reason I chose to do it was that I want to keep my 4Runner. And I figured it better to do it while the V6 was healthy, so I could sell it for a packet ($2300 in fact.) As opposed to waiting till it dies.

I chose the 1UZ for many reasons, and i'm sure they're mentioned here somewhere. In a nutshell though:
They are so cheap, being imported.
They are 10 times the motor in respect to strength and engineering over any readily available Chev/Holden engine.
They're an extremely efficient V8.

As for the LS1, if you ask me it's overatted. Yeah you may find one with slightly more standard power, but that's because they're 1700cc's bigger. Coupled with the insane costs behind the old push rod banger and it's overall size. I didn't even consider this motor for these reasons, especially the $5k+ price.

I also, in a perfect world, plan to possibly supercharge the 1UZ in a few years time.......

Gojeep
29-09-2005, 07:54 PM
Not to mention there must be a good weight saving over the Chev.

Nemesis
29-09-2005, 08:09 PM
On the contrary i'm led to believe that the Chev is quite light, being alloy. But so's the 1UZ.

I actually checked that today, it looks like the front of the runner is sitting slightly higher now. The V8 weighs significantly less it seems than the cast iron V6....

-BJ-
29-09-2005, 08:22 PM
Thanks Nem, its definitely something to consider. I am happy with the V6 for the moment, far better than a 4banger.

-BJ-
29-09-2005, 08:29 PM
BTW What gearbox do you have ?

Nemesis
29-09-2005, 08:33 PM
The 5 speed V6 4Runner use the R150F gearbox, which is practically a Supra Turbo box, which is much superior to the similar aged Hilux manuals.
But yeah, i'm keeping it, and using an adapter bellhousing from Castlemain Rod Shop.

fourocker
01-10-2005, 02:09 PM
Do you think the weight difference between iron V6 and alloy V8 would be enough to accommodate a steel bullbar without putting stiff upgraded torsion bars in.

Rollsy
03-10-2005, 11:16 AM
Sweet as 4 runner!!! ;D
What size and type of tryes are on it??

-BJ-
03-10-2005, 05:04 PM
Sweet as 4 runner!!! ;D
What size and type of tryes are on it??


They are 33'' Mickey Thompson Baja Claws.

Nemesis
03-10-2005, 06:06 PM
Do you think the weight difference between iron V6 and alloy V8 would be enough to accommodate a steel bullbar without putting stiff upgraded torsion bars in.


I can't really say yet. Though, I work in a weighbridge, and my truck used to average a smidgen over 2t. So as soon as it's on the road and I take it to work we'll see the difference ;)


And yeah, they're 33x12.5" R15 Mickey Thompson Radial Baja Claws..... What a mouth full.....

trewpy
03-10-2005, 09:07 PM
Well, it's not actually running yet. But from reports back from Twisty the economy is on par in some respects, and better in others. Coupled with a 100% power gain it's a winner.

The reason I chose to do it was that I want to keep my 4Runner. And I figured it better to do it while the V6 was healthy, so I could sell it for a packet ($2300 in fact.) As opposed to waiting till it dies.

I chose the 1UZ for many reasons, and i'm sure they're mentioned here somewhere. In a nutshell though:
They are so cheap, being imported.
They are 10 times the motor in respect to strength and engineering over any readily available Chev/Holden engine.
They're an extremely efficient V8.

As for the LS1, if you ask me it's overatted. Yeah you may find one with slightly more standard power, but that's because they're 1700cc's bigger. Coupled with the insane costs behind the old push rod banger and it's overall size. I didn't even consider this motor for these reasons, especially the $5k+ price.

I also, in a perfect world, plan to possibly supercharge the 1UZ in a few years time.......
i was thinking supercharge i thought it would would take u a couple of months to think about it i reckon it will b on within 1yr ;D

Twisty
04-10-2005, 09:01 AM
You and Twisty will have to have a race once your engine is in !! :D


Next Years Queens Birthday Long Weekend at Battle of the States, Rover Park, Tenterfield....Mud Drags.....it'll be happening. 8) QLD vs NSW.....Bring it ON ;D

boof
04-10-2005, 09:07 AM
You and Twisty will have to have a race once your engine is in !! :D


Next Years Queens Birthday Long Weekend at Battle of the States, Rover Park, Tenterfield....Mud Drags.....it'll be happening. 8) QLD vs NSW.....Bring it ON ;D




That will be good to see because i wont be jealous at all

Nemesis
04-10-2005, 05:04 PM
You and Twisty will have to have a race once your engine is in !! :D


Next Years Queens Birthday Long Weekend at Battle of the States, Rover Park, Tenterfield....Mud Drags.....it'll be happening. 8) QLD vs NSW.....Bring it ON ;D




Hell yeah, can't wait!

-BJ-
04-10-2005, 06:53 PM
Do you think the weight difference between iron V6 and alloy V8 would be enough to accommodate a steel bullbar without putting stiff upgraded torsion bars in.


I can't really say yet. Though, I work in a weighbridge, and my truck used to average a smidgen over 2t. So as soon as it's on the road and I take it to work we'll see the difference ;)




I didnt know 4runners weighed that much :o It will be interesting to see its weight with the V8. And where is Rover Park ?

Nemesis
04-10-2005, 06:59 PM
Yeah you'd be suprised what 4WD's and cars actually weigh compared to what the RTA notice states.

Rover Park is near Tenterfield. Which is just south of the QLD border.

www.roverpark.com

BLU-125
05-10-2005, 09:56 PM
It seems that FE & I will be using Rover for our event "4x4 Battle of the States", so we will see you there!

There will be a bottle of SGW & a bottle of Bundy for 2nd & 1st in the V8 4Runner Battle of the States.....so you will have to get together after the Drags for "ROVER PARKS".

BTW - 2006 will see two "4x4 Battle of the States".......June & October......stay tuned........

Nemesis
05-10-2005, 10:03 PM
Two eh.................?

I've been emailing Heidi about booking the same van for next year. The long weekend version, I wouldn't have a clue what the date is though hehehe....

boof
06-10-2005, 02:35 PM
two thats sounds interesting ;D

Humpy
06-10-2005, 07:06 PM
I might be up for the october round

07-10-2005, 09:26 PM
I might be up for both may have to crusier aswell 8)

Nemesis
08-10-2005, 05:09 AM
Anyways...............

The gearbox is in, though I haven't seen it yet. Also the radiator has been modified to suit the inlet/outlets of the engine more efficiently. Plus the tailshaft has been shortened a good inch...........

Photo's should come next week along with the exhaust....

-BJ-
08-10-2005, 01:13 PM
Plus the tailshaft has been shortened a good inch...........



How much did that cost if you dont mind me asking ? I paid $440 to get mine done yesterday, they are the only company in town who can do it so i dont know if I was ripped off or not ???

boof
08-10-2005, 03:03 PM
Not long now ay brian getting excited yet :D

Twisty
08-10-2005, 04:18 PM
How much did that cost if you dont mind me asking ? I paid $440 to get mine done yesterday, they are the only company in town who can do it so i dont know if I was ripped off or not ???


:o :o :o Holy crap....you did get ripped....the guys up here will shorten or lengthen your driveshaft, and also balance it for $110....

-BJ-
08-10-2005, 09:41 PM
How much did that cost if you dont mind me asking ? I paid $440 to get mine done yesterday, they are the only company in town who can do it so i dont know if I was ripped off or not ???


:o :o :o Holy crap....you did get ripped....the guys up here will shorten or lengthen your driveshaft, and also balance it for $110....


Bugger >:(

12-10-2005, 08:26 AM
hows it coming along Bryan, havent seen any new pics for a while, it must be getting close surely

Nemesis
12-10-2005, 02:14 PM
Yeah it's just fiddley shyte at the moment, getting it all sorted. I keep forgetting to take the camera........

Will hopefully have it running and cooled early next week. It's in getting the exhaust fabricated at the moment.

Twisty
12-10-2005, 02:41 PM
What did you end up doing exhaust wise Bryan? did you end up going for the highest torque option?

Nemesis
12-10-2005, 04:57 PM
Nup ;D Went for sound like you bro ;D

Except the cats I had were no good, so i'm only running one new high flow cat to save $. Twin 2.5 into 3" with highflow cat and muffler.

Twisty
12-10-2005, 05:18 PM
SWEET 8)

taziiy
12-10-2005, 05:54 PM
sounds like its all coming together pretty good at the moment

fourocker
13-10-2005, 08:36 PM
It'll sound awesome, my brother had a similar setup in his 302 xd minus the cat and the single system sounded and performed better than the dual system it had when he got it.

Stevencc182
14-10-2005, 02:31 PM
just need some of the latest photos to show us,
Then show us what its like on the tracks, should be a very nice thing to drive,

Nemesis
14-10-2005, 04:45 PM
Yeah sorry about that, I keep forgetting to take my camera.

I went today to check out the exhaust. It's breathtaking, the quality of work is second to none. Much much better than the cheap one I had on there before, here's hoping it sounds as good as it looks. It's a shame i'm using such crappy little headers....

He even flanged the exhaust in various sections so I can drop bits out need be, to get to the other components.

Nemesis
20-10-2005, 10:41 PM
Just finishing a few mods to get the intake piping to fit. None the less, we started it today!

And fork me dead, Mt Panorama here we come! Sounds like a V8 Supercar. Next year at Rover is gonna rawk Dave!

Pictures coming soon I promise. Not long now guys...... So whens the next NSW trip? ;D

Twisty
21-10-2005, 07:57 AM
LOL, Great to here Bryan!!

How long before the first drive?

Snofox
21-10-2005, 09:12 AM
Please remember photos !!!
I enjoy checking out your progress pictures.

Nemesis
21-10-2005, 04:09 PM
LOL, Great to here Bryan!!

How long before the first drive?

This weekend if i'm lucky. Though I had a few little issues today. Started it again (back home now) with a surpentine belt on finally, and the PS pump was rather noisey. Now I hope it's cos the oil hasn't circulated yet, but i assume it may be dead.

And, I went to try the gears and couldn't get one, this could be numerous things. Hopefully the clutch is simply not bled enough or something.

But yeah, close!

btw Dave, i'm keeping the long PS lines for heat control. Do you remember off the top of ya head what the two barbed breather looking things are on the passenger side? I'm sure they went into the airbox or something....

Nemesis
21-10-2005, 04:11 PM
Please remember photos !!!
I enjoy checking out your progress pictures.


I know! I got the camera going today, and even got a Quicktime vid of it starting (and the suprise of the noisy pump lol.)

The problem is I don't have access to my pc at the moment as we're house sitting. so hopefully I may get there tommorrow arvo and hook it up ;) I know this page sucks with no pics!

Nath
21-10-2005, 04:24 PM
I cant wait to see/hear this thing going Nem. It's going to put my screamer to shame. Looking faward to the next trip. ;)

Twisty
21-10-2005, 06:48 PM
btw Dave, i'm keeping the long PS lines for heat control. Do you remember off the top of ya head what the two barbed breather looking things are on the passenger side? I'm sure they went into the airbox or something....


Yeah, you got it right, it connects to the airbox and has a vacum controlled valve that activates the idle up for the power steering.

The V8 has this conencted to the pump itself, but it doesn't need it connected (must be the extra grunt) so just leave it disconnected on both that line, and the pump itself.

Nemesis
21-10-2005, 07:51 PM
Ahh ok, I might block them off, or filter them. Don't like the idea of two open breathers sitting there.....

Guts
21-10-2005, 08:50 PM
The 2 lines that go to the ps pump will need to be blocked off. one goes to the motor side of the AFM so if it isn`t blocked up it will stuff the readings up. The other goes into the front of the plenom and needs to be blocked off so you don`t have any vacum leaks. Not having the id up valve connect will not make any differance, I don`t notice any differance with mine not connected and that is with 36 swampers at 10 psi.

Nemesis
21-10-2005, 10:29 PM
Not sure if we're all talkign about the same thing now.

On the existing power steering lines that run along from under the steering unit, to the other chassis rail and back. Which looks like it's there to keep the lines cool maybe, or something. But where the line does a U turn and comes back, there's a little ... thing... that has two barbs side by side sticking out. This is near the passenger chassis rail, no where near the intake of the 1UZ, and has nothing to do with the 1UZ as it was already on there.......

nice_surf
22-10-2005, 01:59 AM
Awesome rig there dude ;D

Guts
22-10-2005, 08:30 AM
Not sure if we're all talkign about the same thing now.

On the existing power steering lines that run along from under the steering unit, to the other chassis rail and back. Which looks like it's there to keep the lines cool maybe, or something. But where the line does a U turn and comes back, there's a little ... thing... that has two barbs side by side sticking out. This is near the passenger chassis rail, no where near the intake of the 1UZ, and has nothing to do with the 1UZ as it was already on there.......




take a pic of these lines, from end to end but i`d say they are for cooling. 80 series have a loop of hard line in the ps lines for cooling. my lux had the ps resevor on the passengers guard and had hard lines running to the drivers side to the box and pump, these help with cooling. I now have hard lines looped across in front of my thermos, behind the grill.

Twisty
22-10-2005, 08:32 AM
Not sure if we're all talkign about the same thing now.
On the existing power steering lines that run along from under the steering unit, to the other chassis rail and back. Which looks like it's there to keep the lines cool maybe, or something. But where the line does a U turn and comes back, there's a little ... thing... that has two barbs side by side sticking out. This is near the passenger chassis rail, no where near the intake of the 1UZ, and has nothing to do with the 1UZ as it was already on there.......


Sorry Bryan, my fault, I shouldn't have mentioned the ones on the V8 power steer pump.

The ones you are talking about are the power steer idle up for the old V6. So you wont need to connect anything to them.

trewpy
22-10-2005, 02:04 PM
wheres the pictures and the video will turn the volume right up

Nemesis
22-10-2005, 03:56 PM
Ok a couple of pics.

Here's the new speaker system ;)

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/almostthere/zorst1.jpg

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/almostthere/zorst2.jpg


And not much to show here. It's all but done, since this i've finished mounting the radiator and have sorted the intake....

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/almostthere/almostdone.jpg

boof
24-10-2005, 03:18 PM
Hows it coming is it far off being drivable ???

Nemesis
24-10-2005, 03:23 PM
Ooooh yeaaaah baby! Drove it today! It's all but finished now! I drove it here to work! No I don't have any pics! Yet...

DEEV8
24-10-2005, 03:30 PM
bet you cant wait to finish so you can 'drive' home! (takin the longest route possible, of course) ;D

boof
24-10-2005, 03:37 PM
Hows it run does it feel heaps more powerful or just more responsive and most important hows the note ;D

Nemesis
24-10-2005, 03:43 PM
Heaps more powerful yeah, goes awesome. Would be unbelievable if you were used to a diesel or something heheh.

The note kicks ass, i'll try get it on the net before long.

boof
24-10-2005, 03:45 PM
look forward to that ;D

Nemesis
24-10-2005, 05:48 PM
Well, I just discovered it's a hell of a lot easier to do an oil change. The sump and plug are towards the front, can do it sitting down .... ;D

wiseman
24-10-2005, 05:58 PM
nice work nem can't wait to here it on idle


good work
Damo

Nemesis
24-10-2005, 06:08 PM
Strangely enough, under idle it's quite sedate. I mean, you can hear the lump of the V8, but it's quite. The second you ease the go pedal it all changes though! Under a load it sounds awesome, can't wait to rip it up in the bush.

I say again, whens the next NSW meetup? :D

UhhOhh
24-10-2005, 06:30 PM
Just had a read of your buildup mate, you've picked a really smooth engine in the 1uz. Hope you enjoy it and put it to good use ;D

timbocruiser
24-10-2005, 08:17 PM
all i can say is WICKED 8)

Ozjunk38
24-10-2005, 08:39 PM
Very nice work Nem ;) Looking forward to seeing the pics ;D

taziiy
24-10-2005, 09:19 PM
cant wait to see out in action in the tracks again

at4wd
24-10-2005, 10:12 PM
Nem,

Your truck is awsome mate.....keep the wicked add ons coming...I love the new speaker setup.. ;D

Stuart.

fourocker
25-10-2005, 09:02 PM
Fantastic to hear it's going, i'll be keeping an ear out for the echo through the valleys, be good to have all the usual bugs sorted soon hopefully, lookin forward to the vid too, bring on that sweet sound. 8)

Guts
25-10-2005, 09:05 PM
Hay nem what db is it?

Had mine tested today and its at 100db at around 3000rpm.
Had to add another tempary muffler to bring it back down to the legal 90db.

Nemesis
25-10-2005, 09:09 PM
Probably 130 ;D ;D ;D

Nah I haven't had it tested yet, but i'm 99% sure i'll need something done.

What system did you have? And what'd you actually fit to get it under? 90 dB is pretty quite isn't it?

Mine is 2 x 2.5" into 3" single. Single 3" cat, muffler and resonator. Still loud..... But good!

Guts
26-10-2005, 07:03 PM
2.5 all the way.
with hiflow cat
and the old muff that I had on it with the turbo and 2.8.

Its not mandrel bent.
Basicly I just had it done as cheap as possible for now as I have spent enough $$$$ on it and just want it going again. In a few years time I might spend the $$$$ and get a mandrel system put on it.

As for the tempary muff I don`t know what it is. The exhaust shop has just loaned it to me. Once I get it rego`d then I just have to unbolt it and give it back to them.

On a better note I will have my report either Monday or Tuesday via express post. Hilux is booked in for blue slip road worthy on Wednesday and I will be paying the rego on Thursday if not Wednesday arvo. 8) ;D ;D ;D :D :D Then it goes for another BIG!!!!!!!! drive on the weekend 8) ;D

Nemesis
26-10-2005, 07:20 PM
Good to hear it's finally come together for you mate.

Is the blue slip because it's unregistered? Or do I need one to? (NSW)

26-10-2005, 08:00 PM
Good to hear it's finally come together for you mate.

Is the blue slip because it's unregistered? Or do I need one to? (NSW)


you will need one as well...... whenever your vehicle has been re-engineered for a modification, you apparently have to have it blue slipped as well

26-10-2005, 08:01 PM
ya gonna come for a run up the valley when ya get it goin bryan?

Nemesis
26-10-2005, 08:06 PM
I'll be running everywhere :D I just love driving it!

Wouldn't mind another weekend at the tops!

bushbloke
26-10-2005, 08:47 PM
Probably an obvious answer to this, but what is the 1UZ V8 come out of originally?

Nemesis
26-10-2005, 09:04 PM
Various sources.

In Australia they come out in Lexus motor vehicles of the 90's era. Like the LS400 and SC400.

Mine's out of a Toyota Celsior which is the Japanese version of the Lexus LS400 (my motor is imported.) Incase you didn't know, Lexus is owned and manufactured by Toyota.

The later versions of the motor, the 2UZFE can be found in our 100series Landcruisers. It's a bigger capacity, heavier motor.

Corry
26-10-2005, 09:32 PM
Nem/Twisty, maybe this could be the next mod. This is a mate from work who has fitted the 1UZ to a VL Commodore for the drags. He is in the process of Tigging up the exhausts off both the turbo's.
Pretty impressive.

http://www.corrysplace.com/Host/vl%20exhausts%202.jpg

Nemesis
26-10-2005, 09:39 PM
Yeah she'll be a screamer. Twin turbo's are extremely popular on 1UZ's, the reason being they're so strong internally. Which means big gains with good reliability, without having to spend tonnes on the internals....

I wouldn't mind supercharging mine in a few years, but for now i'm stoked.

27-10-2005, 05:41 AM
I wouldn't mind supercharging mine in a few years, but for now i'm stoked.


you know you want one..... ;)

http://www.capa.com.au/powerdyne.htm

Sim79
27-10-2005, 05:54 AM
When is the solid axle going in?

Nemesis
27-10-2005, 10:24 AM
IF I was allowed to spend the $..... Tomorrow.... But i'm not :'(

Nemesis
27-10-2005, 04:42 PM
A point of interest Re: Insurance (especially for you Dave)


I got a quote off JustCar insurance a while back insuring the 4Runner with all it's mods. They wanted about $1100 and their policy, like most only cover you on mapped roads. On top of that they only cover you for market value, which they reckon was about $12,000, and the level of modifications and accesories bares no influence on this.

Anyways, I just took on a policy (extremely easy, all via internet/email) with DGA Insurance. Their dedicated 4WD Insurance. It ended up costing $950 (including broker fee.) They cover you no matter where you decide to try and drive it, and they reckon the market value is $16,000. On top of that they add the market value of all your accesories.
That completely covers me, and they know about the motor, body lift, tyres, twin lockers, big stereo.... the lot.....

T'was a no brainer really.

Twisty
27-10-2005, 04:48 PM
Geez, mine is up in about a month, as its almost a year since I got mine running, so I'll have to check them out. My was $850 for last year, but I will tick over to rating one this time, so am hoping for it to be a bit cheaper.

Just Car insurance did say I was covered offroad though, but only on designated tracks. And yeah, mine is just for a market value of around $13,000....which is pretty crappy......specially with the $$$ I've poured into it.

Well have to give them a ring soon. Thanks for the info Bryan.

Nemesis
27-10-2005, 04:54 PM
It must have something to do with where we live. As mine was more than that last year as standard, and i've been on rating one for a few years.

Anyways yeah, you'll find with Just Car, if it's in a street directory you're covered. If not, you're not....... In the fine print.

www.dgainsurance.com.au/4wd.htm

I filled out the quote form and got a response the next day (from Nicole.) After a few email questions responded to straight away I asked how to sign up. She replied saying she had converted the quote into a cover note effective immediately, and the proposal & info are in today's mail. Easy.

trewpy
27-10-2005, 06:13 PM
Yeah she'll be a screamer. Twin turbo's are extremely popular on 1UZ's, the reason being they're so strong internally. Which means big gains with good reliability, without having to spend tonnes on the internals....

I wouldn't mind supercharging mine in a few years, but for now i'm stoked.
i reckon you will have turbo or charged within 12 months ;D ;D

Nemesis
27-10-2005, 06:17 PM
Heheh funny you should mention that. You can pick up a Toyota SC14 supercharger from the importers for a couple of hundred $ these days. I'm thinking of asking for one for X-Mas off the missus. Then I can slowly work out how to adapt it ;D


Didn't you sell the Troop? What are you driving now again?

Guts
27-10-2005, 06:19 PM
Good to hear it's finally come together for you mate.

Is the blue slip because it's unregistered? Or do I need one to? (NSW)


I need one for 2 reasons,
1 because it is out of reg and has been for about 18months.
2 because of the motor swap, they have to double check the engine, chassi numbers etc.

bushbloke
27-10-2005, 06:34 PM
Various sources.

In Australia they come out in Lexus motor vehicles of the 90's era. Like the LS400 and SC400.

Mine's out of a Toyota Celsior which is the Japanese version of the Lexus LS400 (my motor is imported.) Incase you didn't know, Lexus is owned and manufactured by Toyota.

The later versions of the motor, the 2UZFE can be found in our 100series Landcruisers. It's a bigger capacity, heavier motor.


Nice, the other question was what displacement is it?

Nemesis
27-10-2005, 06:44 PM
4000cc, all alloy, quad cam, 32 valve, 6 bolt mains.

trewpy
27-10-2005, 06:55 PM
Heheh funny you should mention that. You can pick up a Toyota SC14 supercharger from the importers for a couple of hundred $ these days. I'm thinking of asking for one for X-Mas off the missus. Then I can slowly work out how to adapt it ;D


Didn't you sell the Troop? What are you driving now again?
drivin wifes car at the moment gotta sell that b4 i get new toy lookin at 95-98 80series or 98-99 gu 4.2 turbo diesel should have one by xmas gettin withdrawl symptoms!!! :P

Nemesis
27-10-2005, 06:57 PM
Yeah for sure! We gotta do another trip soon, you'll just have to come out with Phil..... If he's still around.....

trewpy
27-10-2005, 07:06 PM
yeah ill have one by xmas for sure gunna pack it up and head north no plans just go camp where ever the rd takes us but just qiuetly after seein that coffs dvd im keen to head up there and do some of them tracks ;D

bushbloke
27-10-2005, 07:48 PM
yeah ill have one by xmas for sure gunna pack it up and head north no plans just go camp where ever the rd takes us but just qiuetly after seein that coffs dvd im keen to head up there and do some of them tracks ;D

Thats what i want to do when i get my patrol, will be tops. Anyway, don't wanna Hijack ya Thread Nemisis. Very nice 4Runner.

How much did engine conversion cost out of interest? I did some research a couple of years ago into a Chev v8 Diesel, and it was between $13'000 and $16'000 then.

Nemesis
27-10-2005, 07:56 PM
To be honest I haven't properly invoiced the whole lot. The exhaust was a bit of a blow out on budget, but worth every cent! I'd say all up including engineering somewhere around the 6-7k mark. Less 2300 I got for the V6.

I'm really happy with the job the guys at Hi-Tech Vehicles (page 306 of current issue 86) did on the fabrication side.

And to top it off, only charged me 15 hours labour to do the engine mounts and gearbox mounts. Plus Chris and Ben did alot of organising for me on things like the radiator and driveshaft shortening among others.

simonsurf
28-10-2005, 01:41 PM
Can't wait to see it Bryan! If you want to compare the diesel and the V8 I'll be happy to let you drive mine while I drive yours ;)
You should bring it out to the Nissan Trials in a couple of weeks so we can check it out ;D

ttcelica
28-10-2005, 03:48 PM
YEs Brian, im still around!! ;D

Glad to see it all finally come together, there aint nothing like a powerup ;)

Oh, and steer clear of the SC14, they dont flow enough air to warrant the trouble. the biggest restriction on a 1UZ is the inlet runners, they pinch right down at the entry into the head. Best thing for this? 2 x sets of 4AG 20V quad throttle setup, simple ecu like a Microtech LTX-12 and adjustable cam gears. It will REALLY come alive then, think 250-260kw @ flywheel (no, im not joking, it DOES make that much difference!). Just make sure you keep the inlet runners short to keep the low down torque up ;)

Nemesis
28-10-2005, 04:03 PM
Hey hey he is alive!

I'm intruiged by that setup, although i'm not cashed up for it yet heheh. Do you have any pictures or info on someone that has done it already?

And, are you a member at lextreme? You're knowledge of the 1UZ would go a long way i'd imagine...

GUHOON
28-10-2005, 05:15 PM
Good to see it's finally going , will be great to hear it in person.
So yeah , when is the next trip on ;D

Nemesis
28-10-2005, 05:44 PM
Can't wait to see it Bryan! If you want to compare the diesel and the V8 I'll be happy to let you drive mine while I drive yours ;)
You should bring it out to the Nissan Trials in a couple of weeks so we can check it out ;D


Hahaha welcome back mate ;)

Gojeep
28-10-2005, 06:12 PM
Just make sure you keep the inlet runners short to keep the low down torque up ;)


Actually the opposite is true. You want long intake runners for greater torque at lower revs. Honda and the new Fords ( among many others ) have a dual length intake where the long ones are used to increase torque at low revs and then they switch to the short ones when revs are much higher.

ttcelica
28-10-2005, 06:20 PM
Nah mate, not a member of lextreme. Im just fairly well "taught" on Toyota performance motors. I have seen and been in an AE86 Sprinter with a 1UZ in it, with a motec and exhaust only, made 266rwhp, but the torque in such a small car was amazing. Abilty to drive through 4 gear still turning the tyres, best fun ive had in a straight line ;D.

I have seen a 1UZ with 8 TB/s in a Sports Sedan loosely based on a MA70 supra. Bottom end was std 10:1, heads ported/polished, adj. cam gears, Ivan Tighe specials, M800 motec, turned to 7600rpm, consistant 365-370rwhp. Let them breath a little, and they LOVE you for it, 1:02 at wakefield park. Oh, that was in develoment stage.

trewpy
28-10-2005, 07:25 PM
YEs Brian, im still around!! ;D

Glad to see it all finally come together, there aint nothing like a powerup ;)

Oh, and steer clear of the SC14, they dont flow enough air to warrant the trouble. the biggest restriction on a 1UZ is the inlet runners, they pinch right down at the entry into the head. Best thing for this? 2 x sets of 4AG 20V quad throttle setup, simple ecu like a Microtech LTX-12 and adjustable cam gears. It will REALLY come alive then, think 250-260kw @ flywheel (no, im not joking, it DOES make that much difference!). Just make sure you keep the inlet runners short to keep the low down torque up ;)
phils a maniac knows his shit ay!im thinkin next forum trip will have to be a big one! ;D

-BJ-
28-10-2005, 07:59 PM
Have you got it dyno tuned ? If so, what are the figures like ?

Nemesis
28-10-2005, 08:02 PM
No I haven't.

Which leads me to a question I ponder:

In these days of high tech electrical engines, and self mapping ECU's; Is there any point to dyno tuning? Because the ECU's aren't programable anyway are they?

-BJ-
28-10-2005, 08:50 PM
Well, when you do get it tuned, which ever way that is. Dont forget to let us know how powerful it is ;)

RED60
28-10-2005, 09:33 PM
Nem, don't kno if your particular type of ECU is re-programable but the people interested in late model V8 Monaros/Commodores are changin theirs by reprogramin. There are actually several systems around 4 them. All doin things slitely differently of course. They've found quite a few kw as well. 8) 8)

ttcelica
29-10-2005, 09:08 AM
GoJeep,
I beg to differ. When the 80 series 1FZFE was released, it had long inlet runners. 70% of its some 380nm torque was available @ 1300rpm. Not shabby by anyones standards. Toyota deemed this not good enough for the 105 series. The 105 series 1FZ runners are shorter, and are of larger diameter, resulting in 88% of its torque available at 100rpm less. This 18% gain was not just from the runners, but a good portion of it was. Its the same deal with toyota diesels. The 1HZ has approx. 2.5-3" long runners, hence its ability to lug around at bugger all revs. But hey, i gotta stop hijacking Brians thread ;D

Nemesis
29-10-2005, 04:07 PM
Yeah don't hijack it! Instead see if you can give light to my last question ;)

Gojeep
29-10-2005, 10:36 PM
GoJeep,
I beg to differ. When the 80 series 1FZFE was released, it had long inlet runners. 70% of its some 380nm torque was available @ 1300rpm. Not shabby by anyones standards. Toyota deemed this not good enough for the 105 series. The 105 series 1FZ runners are shorter, and are of larger diameter, resulting in 88% of its torque available at 100rpm less. This 18% gain was not just from the runners, but a good portion of it was. Its the same deal with toyota diesels. The 1HZ has approx. 2.5-3" long runners, hence its ability to lug around at bugger all revs. But hey, i gotta stop hijacking Brians thread ;D





http://www.rbracing-rsr.com/runnertorquecalc.html

ttcelica
30-10-2005, 09:59 AM
I have used that calc. before. For the most part, what you can calculate and what is actually achieved in the real world are very different (eg:- the 1/4 mile ET calculaters, and why people get the shits when their car cant match what the calculater said), there are too many differing factors. I would love to be able to test different runner design, plenum size, TB size, runner diameter, port designs on the same motor. The 1UZ runners are approx 8-9" long (from memory) and 27mm ID at any given point depending on the cast, with ~62mm TB. For any 4litre motor, its damn restrictive, and i wont even start on the factory headers.

Brian,
Cant dyno tune a factory Toyota ECU. Only thing you can do is power runs to see if and/or where the motor is leaning out, or fattening up. Can knock some timing into it, and listen for the rattle, but thats about it. A programmable ECU will net a minimal gain, UNLESS you do other things like cams, cam gears and head work. Then the ECU can programmed to suit.

-BJ-
30-10-2005, 09:28 PM
Whats next on the list now ?

Nemesis
31-10-2005, 08:54 PM
Next on the list is to finish updating my pc at home after formatting it, then re-install my camera so i can get some pics and maybe vids on the net ;)

Tommorrow i'm gonna start working on the truck again ready for engineering. Needs a few bits finished off here and there. Spent the last 4-5 days at the inlaws house ripping up old carpet and masonite, and laying villaboard everywhere; my hamstrings are rooted....

Nemesis
06-11-2005, 09:22 PM
Finally an update, and plenty of pics!

First up, I had to sort out the big gap at the front of the bellhousing. As seen here....

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/almostthere/gap.jpg


So, I made up a dummy section roughly using some cardboard. Which I traced onto some galvanised metal i acquired and roughly cut out with a grinder (too thick for tin snips and i didn't have a saw)

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/almostthere/cut.jpg


Test fitting, not too far off. A few tests and grinds got it pretty close after this one:

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/almostthere/test.jpg

And, all installed, complete with wet sealant just for insurance. Not the prettiest, but not too bad for a metal n00b.

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/almostthere/final.jpg

Nemesis
06-11-2005, 09:26 PM
This should preceed the last post. But anyways, here's a shot taken from the last day it was off the road. Two Sundays ago, which I spent about 12 hours straight on it finishing off the stuff that makes it run.....

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/almostthere/Almost%20done.jpg



Fitted a new spotty, so i've now got two spread beams, and redid the wiring with better cable, and nice and neat:

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/almostthere/light.jpg

And, the ARB compressor and lines for the lockers all finished:

http://www.users.on.net/~bryntrace/1UZFE%20Project/almostthere/diffs.jpg

Nemesis
06-11-2005, 09:29 PM
moved to next page

Ford Mav
06-11-2005, 09:40 PM
That actually sounds sweet Bryan. So u comin to next Menai Cleanup? 19th November. Its on a Saturday, 2 weeks away

Frank