What a Mongrel

[my45]

G'day all
Just wndering waht you guys think of the motorway mongerl, they look very similar to the simex centipede's and are ment to be much cheeper. On that note, what price are they (33"), i couldnt find a price on them.

Cheers
Adam ;D

[Bikie]

Hi Adam, the motorway mongeral is actually very close to the "Simex extreme trekker" which start around $325 for a 31 X 10.5 X 15 and go up from there. Prices for the motorway's start at $149 for a 31 X 10.5 X15 and go up from there but they also vary depending on whether you want a retread or a monoform (complete casing replacment from bead to bead.) ;) Motorway have only just released the 33's but take note they come in a wider size to the genuine thing, being 12.5 not 11.5 like the Simex not a big factor though. I am seriously thinking of buying Mongeral's as my next set of play tyres.

[big red]

for the price they may be worth a go on light rigs or low powered ones, they seem very soft.

[CRUSHU]

try procomp tyres in narre warren, vic, for mongrels, 03 9705 6677

[baby_troupe]

Does anyone know of any NSW (Pref Sydney or Central Coast) distributers for Motorway Tyres?

[JoeLux]

Try http://www.motorway-tyres.com.au
or they have a freecall number.... 1800 036 061

They should be able to tell you the distributors in your area :)

[aussietj]

Marathon Tyers at Sangate (Newcastle) distribute them

[BLU-125]

If they are identified as 33/13.50R15's it would be interesting to see what rim they require. The Tyre & Rim assoc., has different ideas than most dealers about 33/12.50R15's which specify minimum 8.5" rim. Isn't this a can of worms best not openned.

[BigBugga]

Has anyone used these tyre's yet.

Now that we have a bunch of new people here, we might have someone running a set that can give us an opinion on them.

You get what you pay for...

I wouldnt run retreads on my ride on mower..........

Poor people cant afford cheap things....

[baby_troupe]

Poor people cant afford cheap things....

I've heard that somewhere b4.....

[Lotza MUMBO]

I have not run these my self but i know a lot of guys that went out around the same time and bought them.
First reports from every one of them were that they stick like **** to a blanket but after a couple of months they had realised why. They are very soft and wear very fast. I dont know anyone that has got 15,000Ks out of them :o Most have got way less using them offroad.
Also the tyre is only as strong as the original carcas and because they are a Re-mould not a Re-tread you cant tell what the original carcas actually was.

[BLU-125]

I was most concerned when I saw this company offering agressive off-road patterns in a 275/70R16. I am yet to find a tyre in this size that is not passenger car construction. So what cases are they using? Surely a company marketting a product aimed at the enthusiast user would at least get the construction right.

Why do you think that specialist 4wd tyre dealers suggest the use of 265/75R16 or 285/75R16's as a replacement tyre on 80 & 100 series TLC's. It's because they are normally light truck constuction.ie. 8 or 10 ply rated not 4 ply rated.

The OE tyre is too lightly made for use outside our major cities!

Yet a retreader (or remoulder or tyre recycler or....) feels quite comfortable in creating an agressive tyre on these cases. ie.275/70R16.

And, as a tyre dealer, you wonder why I drink....................

i dint seem to have a problem with retreads i ran them on my landy and never had a problem although i did put a set in the shed for about a year to harden up nad now there in my toyo no worries !! but when i do go trecking i put on my firestones and go !!

[alki]

Does anyone know of any NSW (Pref Sydney or Central Coast) distributers for Motorway Tyres?


Went to 4wd warehouse in Kings Park(western Sydney) and saw one on display there.They must be selling them.

[tempestv8]

I don't know what Mongrels are like but I do know that the Simex Centipede Extreme Trekker isn't all that expensive. Go to www.simex4x4.com and give Dynamic 4x4 a call. They should be able to give you a good price. I ain't saying what I paid for mine, but you'd be surprised how reasonable the pricing is. 8)

[vompie69]

I agree, you get what you paid for,

Although I have not had personal experience with these tyres, a friend purchased a set of MTs from Motorway, he had nothing but trouble with them. He only got around 15000 kms, and the warranty isn't worth the paper it is written on. He was never happy with their performance at any time. He now runs Wranglers and is a happy boy.

Cheap they may be, value for money, no sirreee ;)

[aussietj]

those guys who are having trouble with the MT Mongrels must be giving them a caining, been running a set of the BFG pattern 31" on a SR5 hilux as a second set for the bush and they perform very well, plenty of grip and are very quiet on the tar, sure they seem a little softer than the original BFG MT's and may not get the same mileage, but for $100 a shot they are cost effective for the bush work.............

[TOYLUX]

Im glad this topic was brought up i am looking at buying a set of mongrel muddies for my rig and was wondering about their performance on and off road. Of course like most things its a compromise,but at the moment Im running a set of Kumho muddies.On the black stuff i run 40psi and drop them to 20psi in the scrub,they have done an honest to god 41000kms(i have a log book as proof,but of course there will be doubters)and they still have enough tread to last another 8-10thou.Tire wear comes down to the driver.Drive your rig like your on a race track and kiss longevity out the window,but treat them with a little care and you will reap the benefits. If any one has run mongrels i would like to here from them,sometimes the most expensive isnt always the best.

[fatbob]

Adam the 33x12.5x15 retails for $219 per tyre

any one used them yet ???

[bigboy]

I own a set of mongrel tyres that i run on my hj60 .
best offroad tyre i have seen .
i paid $220 ea 33x12.5x15
in qld rrp $250 ea due to freight .

try L.C. 4X4 PARTS
07 46696639 0408237653

[DirtPig]

I have seen new Mongrels. You would be lucky if the tread depth was 1/2 that of an equivalent sized Centipede.

[bigboy]

I have seen new Mongrels. You would be lucky if the tread depth was 1/2 that of an equivalent sized Centipede.


the mongrels i own are lugger than the rest
simex are not road leagel
but mongrels are road leagel

[DirtPig]

What's the tread depth on your Mongrels (centre of tyre) ? I was going off new mongrels that I have seen up close.

I was always under the impression that Centipedes were road legal.

[bigboy]

What's the tread depth on your Mongrels (centre of tyre) ? I was going off new mongrels that I have seen up close.

I was always under the impression that Centipedes were road legal.


i got told from a simex dealer that there centipedes are not
leagel

when i got my tyres we compared aganst a new simex and the
tread depth was the same ..
may be different size tyres have different depth tread ?
i have 33x12.5x15

[DirtPig]

What's the tread depth on your Mongrels (centre of tyre) ? I was going off new mongrels that I have seen up close.

I was always under the impression that Centipedes were road legal.


i got told from a simex dealer that there centipedes are not
leagel

when i got my tyres we compared aganst a new simex and the
tread depth was the same ..
may be different size tyres have different depth tread ?
i have 33x12.5x15




Cool. I stand corrected. :)

[cuttin loose]

Saw a guy this morning who was running the mongrels on his 4wd work ute.. He reckoned they were great, had only done 10,000 on them, and they still looked fairly new...

[bigboy]

Saw a guy this morning who was running the mongrels on his 4wd work ute.. He reckoned they were great, had only done 10,000 on them, and they still looked fairly new...

I HAVE HAD MY TYRES FOR 1/2 A YEAR NOW STILL HAS HEAPS
OF TREAD (I TRAVEL ABOUT 80,000 KM A YEAR APPROX )

[baby_troupe]

There are a second hand set of 33 * 12s for sale on the Outer Limits Forum (http://www.outerlimits4x4.com/PHP_Modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7308)

[alki]

there is another dealer in Silverwater that sells mongrel's.
I think they are called CHAOS or something similar.

[Roly]

if you guys are happy to drive around on unknown 4wd tyre carcasses go for it

i sure as hell wouldn't....

when my tyres are stuffed i throw them away..... i know what i've done to them..

i think i'm on set number 7 in 3.5 years

You get what you pay for...

I wouldnt run retreads on my ride on mower..........




First time for everthing I guess, but I actualy agree with shed on this :P

[dayne]

hey can you take in ur old tyre carcases and have them retreaded? so you know what you are getting. or do u just get wat you'r given?

[BLU-125]

How would you know what you were getting back? Just one more reason for the bead to bead fill.

Also don't believe that there is any significant increase in strength in the walls due to the extra rubber - the real strength in the walls is in the strength of the fabric in the case.

Don't forget that a tyre case wears out like the tread does. Do you want to trust your life (& your dollars) to a tyre that may have already done 80,000 km's?

When you see pieces of tyre on the side of the Hwy., most people assume that a retread has "come off". If you can see steel or fabric, it means that the case has failed, not the retreading process.

Ya pays ya munny an ya takes your choice........

[BigBugga]

The michelin's that came on my Disco when I bought it failed badly.

The inner lining started to peal away, These were not retreads either.

[GUJohnno]

Got a guy in our club with them. Amazed at how they kept digging in the mud until he got out. He had all sorts of problems going side ways on wet bendy tracks. Said he wasn't putting the boot in. Heard that they get the carcasses from America and only use Cooper and ProComp tyres.

[HiluxGrunt]

I was thinking of getting the Motorway brand myself, but having second thoughts after reading the comments above.... Has anyone got anything to say about the Mickey Thompson range of tyres ?

[baby_troupe]

Most people I know who use Mickey Thompson's are very happy with them (Aus, Canada & US)

[FUN-TOY]

i got told from a simex dealer that there centipedes are not
leagel

all simex are legal on road, but its a gray spot to get engineer approval for the 36" one.

[shaunus]

yeah i run 35" claws . They are awsome, great tyre

[cuttin loose]

how much do the claws cost these days???

[shaunus]

::) can`t remember how much i payed for the claws but i think it was around the $500.00 mark

[BLU-125]

The price of Claws has dropped in Oz.

About the time M/T was bought by the Cooper Avon Tire Co.

I'll post some prices in a day or two.

[Mad Cruiser]

i got told from a simex dealer that there centipedes are not
leagel

all simex are legal on road, but its a gray spot to get engineer approval for the 36" one.


Where ???? In Queensland Simex Cent, Extreme, JT, JT2's aren't legal, they'e considered swamper tyres here.

[cuttin loose]

::) can`t remember how much i payed for the claws but i think it was around the $500.00 mark



only ask coz i'm trying to toss up whether it's cheaper for me to import from the states or just buy here... i can get the 35 x 15's
fo about $211.00 USD at the moment... and our dollar is only getting better... so they're only like $300 AUD a tyre... ;D ;D ;D

[LJ80 ZOOK]

I have the 30" motorway MT's on my LJ and they are great. I've had no probs. They have decent grip on road and are fantastic off road.

[BushBoy]

Well if i had a 4b i'd get em,
33"s ;D
kickass

[Humpy]

Has anyones opinion changed after reading Antmans test?

[baby_troupe]

Not mine.
I still say they are not safe.
That is my opinion though.

People often say "you get what you pay for" i guess in a lot of cases it's true..... but then sometimes you have to buy what you can afford..... The Tyre Factory in Melbourne sell a set of "Sunraysia" type wheels with tyres for 500 bux + shipping..... 10.5 x 31 x 15 i figure even if you get less than 50k out of them, i got a set of rims to put new ones on when i can afford them..... at this point in time, i need new tyres but can't afford new tyres....... i know that retreads often have a bad rep..... but my car doesn't go all that fast to worry about peeling a tread at high speed :)

Its not just peeling a tread at high speed, but peeling a tread from the flex of running lower pressures to save track damage and car and tyre wear.

If you cant afford good new, good s/h clean skins would still be my preference over retreads......

i don't do sand........ so i wouldn't need to lower them to that extent. Like i said though, even if i get lower than average lifespan from them, i got myself out of the shit for the short term at the right price :)

[baby_troupe]

Depends on how much grip is available top how low I go.
I have been as low as 15psi so far on rock steps (no beadlocks) & it is a big help.
This sort of flex in the tyre I reckon would be a problem for a remanufactured tyre.

[Humpy]

They do have a warranty for casing failure until the tread wears out.

you get 12 months warranty on the retreads......... the cases are x-rayed before they are used and i'm told they use the harder compound rubber so you get pretty good wear out of them. I get mine next wednesday.. so only time will tell :)

[DIRTY]

Let us know how they go. What size?

31 x 10.5 x 15 ;D

[2 BRUTAL]

The quality of retreads have come long way in recent years. i don't think it helps peoples decissions when all you see allover our highways are blown truck retreads. But there are a lot of reasons that there are heaps of blown retreads lying around the side of the road.
1) just about every truck runs retreads of 1 type or another.ever stopped to count how many tyres are on a road train.(HEAPS)
2)anyone care to guess how many trucks are on our roads
3)when truckies change there tyres and rims around they aren't always mounted squarely on the spider hubs, which cause premature wear and blow outs.
4)how many people do around 3000 -6000 kms per week in there 4B. not too many i bet.
Antmans test still stopped short of either bagging them or giving them a big wrap, so i guess it will a matter of time to see how many people run them to get the wider picture.

[Humpy]

The biggest users of retreads are airlines, plane tyres are retreads.

[etho]

Does anyone know of any NSW (Pref Sydney or Central Coast) distributers for Motorway Tyres?


rang up motorway a fair while ago and was told that marathon tyres were their distributor, newcastle might be the closest to you, not sure...

[etho]

Does anyone know of any NSW (Pref Sydney or Central Coast) distributers for Motorway Tyres?


rang up motorway a fair while ago and was told that marathon tyres were their distributor, newcastle might be the closest to you, not sure...


i feel like a tool after posting the above, just noticed the original question was posted on 5th may last year!!!......you've probably worn a set out by now :D

The quality of retreads have come long way in recent years. i don't think it helps peoples decissions when all you see allover our highways are blown truck retreads. But there are a lot of reasons that there are heaps of blown retreads lying around the side of the road.
1) just about every truck runs retreads of 1 type or another.ever stopped to count how many tyres are on a road train.(HEAPS)
2)anyone care to guess how many trucks are on our roads
3)when truckies change there tyres and rims around they aren't always mounted squarely on the spider hubs, which cause premature wear and blow outs.
4)how many people do around 3000 -6000 kms per week in there 4B. not too many i bet.
Antmans test still stopped short of either bagging them or giving them a big wrap, so i guess it will a matter of time to see how many people run them to get the wider picture.


i was talking to a truck driver the other day, he said that the main reason they lose caps off their tyres is because they go down a little....... under load they heat up and then delaminated....... he said that if you check them regularly (truck tyres) you get very few retreads pealing

[DIRTY]

Have you got them yet? Just read the story in the mag and wanted another opinion.

Have you got them yet? Just read the story in the mag and wanted another opinion.


They arrive today (wednesday 4th feb)..... when i fit them i'll take a pic or two and post them

>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
STILL no tyres!!!!!! i have been on the phone with these guys for over a week!!! diffrent excuse each time...... FINALLY got a con note for them and they only left Melbourne TODAY!!!!!!! i am so pissed off.... i payed for the freakin things 2 weeks ago.......... i told the guy i wouldn't be recommending their tyres or wheels to anybody because there is so much pissing around just to get them damn things transported......... i hope that after all the agro.. they are worth it!! i NEED the damn things for a club trip this weekend!! supposed to be here wednesday :-\ we will soon see

[baby_troupe]

All I can say is to stay on them until you receive the goods.

[DIRTY]

Damn, why is it that whenever you want something real bad, it gets delayed or something else happens.

Oh well, should give them hell as i have seen some tyre places give people the run around.

A mate of mine ordered some mags for his car and they told him that they had arrived and had the tyres on, hence were ready for fitting. We get there and the wheels are NOT there, and we have to wait for the courier. 5 hours later the car is sitting on a hoist with new wheels and tyres. Another hour before he could get a wheel alignment. Absoulute waste of a day. >:( >:( >:(

[baby_troupe]

About 5 years ago I orderred a set of Bridgestone SF340 Eagers for my old Commondoor from Bob Janes at Erina.
When I arrived on the day I had booked to get them fitted, I found out that they had sold my set to another person.
They organised for a replacement set from the local Bridgestone dealer, at their expense & these were fitted.
It cost me an extra hour while these arrived.
In the end, they also gave me frre movie tickets & a written apology.
That is one of the reasons I keep going back to them.

About 5 years ago I orderred a set of Bridgestone SF340 Eagers for my old Commondoor from Bob Janes at Erina.
When I arrived on the day I had booked to get them fitted, I found out that they had sold my set to another person.
They organised for a replacement set from the local Bridgestone dealer, at their expense & these were fitted.
It cost me an extra hour while these arrived.
In the end, they also gave me frre movie tickets & a written apology.
That is one of the reasons I keep going back to them.


I can't see that happening though Col...... not everybody looks after their customers

[baby_troupe]

THe biggest thing to a business in a small town, is repeat business.
Just remind them that if something doesn't start happening soon, that you will be taking your future business elsewhere (eg Muswellbrook) as will most people you recommend.

Also can't hurt to let them know you are a member of a local 4wd club, they may lift their game a little.

THe biggest thing to a business in a small town, is repeat business.
Just remind them that if something doesn't start happening soon, that you will be taking your future business elsewhere (eg Muswellbrook) as will most people you recommend.

Also can't hurt to let them know you are a member of a local 4wd club, they may lift their game a little.




I made the point that there could be a few people waiting on me getting my tyres to see if they will order any from them. A couple of friends and a guy from the club. maybe even one or two on this here forum...... knowing my luck, the next guy to order them will get them in 3 days and be done with it.... not 14 days like me. They are in transit, and are allegedly going to arrive today......here's hoping!!

FINALLY!!! after 2 weeks of stuffin around..... they arrived.
The retreads are a little dissapointing for the fact that they are on different casings...... but thats not a big problem since there is no white writing on the sidewalls, nobody is going to take much notice... too bad if they do :P The wheels look good.... i thought they might have been some non-descript brand, they are actually ROH wheels...... the tread pattern was supposed to be BFG muddies on different cases, but they are i think a kumho pattern. ONly time will tell if they hold out, if i get only 12 months out of them the price would cover the wheels alone plus a tyre or two.... i can live with that ;) I'll get brand new tyres in 12 months time and have 8" rims to put them on ;D

http://www.vistawebdesigns.com/4wdpics/before1.jpg

http://www.vistawebdesigns.com/4wdpics/after1.jpg

http://www.vistawebdesigns.com/4wdpics/tread.jpg

[BLU-125]

If the rims in the 'photo are what you are referring to you must mean 7" rims! ROH doesn't make an 8" rim in that offset. If you look near the valve you'll see the size stamped in the wheel.

I went out and looked..... nothing stamped near the valve... i thought i saw it on the wheel near the stud holes........ but i ain't pulling the damn hub covers off to view it again :) i thought i saw 8 stamped there near ROH.... could have been wrong :) no matter though... got wider than standard rims for later use :)

EDIT:
You seem to know what you are talking about so i guess you work with tyres??? do you recognise that tread pattern?

[BLU-125]

It's similar to the Hankook T24 - a long departed Korean pattern.

[Humpy]

If you really want to know how wide they are, just go and measure them, 8 inches is just over 200mm

[baby_troupe]

Looks like someone is about to do some rubbin'

Time for a bit of suspension work mate.

hehe i'm working on that...... gotta adjust the stops on the front wheels a little.... rubs on full lock..... ;D Going to jack it another 2" in the next week or two if i can get my hands on some steel to make shackles for the rear and get a rattle gun to adjust the torsion bars back up when i reset them.... i think the front will rub under a bit of flex..... it actually protrudes past the guards a little.

[gidget]

keep us posted on how they progress, am interested to see how they go. I considered them but there wasn't much info on them at the time.

P.S Look Good to.

[BLU-125]

Humpy, unless you've got a set of wheel calipers it's almost impossible to measure a wheel with a mounted tyre. If you look at the bottom photo, the centre is welded to the outside edge of the well in the wheel. This denotes that it is an I.F.S. offset which ROH (Black pinstripe) only makes in 7". If you look at any wheel designed for a live (or beam) axle, ie. TLC, Patrol, non I.F.S HiLux, the centre will sit at least .5" from the outside of the well. ROH makes this offset in 7&8" sizes. The only common 8" I.F.S. offset wheels come from Speedy (& are imported).

As the wheels supplied to RoeDeo are the correct offset, normally a 31/10.50R15 shouldn't cause clearance problems.

If you wind up the front & increase shackle length, check your shock length as many shocks fitted to Rodeo's don't allow a lot of droop.

[Humpy]

Humpy, unless you've got a set of wheel calipers it's almost impossible to measure a wheel with a mounted tyre. If you look at the bottom photo, the centre is welded to the outside edge of the well in the wheel. This denotes that it is an I.F.S. offset which ROH (Black pinstripe) only makes in 7". If you look at any wheel designed for a live (or beam) axle, ie. TLC, Patrol, non I.F.S HiLux, the centre will sit at least .5" from the outside of the well. ROH makes this offset in 7&8" sizes. The only common 8" I.F.S. offset wheels come from Speedy (& are imported).

As the wheels supplied to RoeDeo are the correct offset, normally a 31/10.50R15 shouldn't cause clearance problems.

If you wind up the front & increase shackle length, check your shock length as many shocks fitted to Rodeo's don't allow a lot of droop.

The wheel has holes in it dosent it, stick a tape measure through line it up with the inside edge, read where it lines up with the outside edge.

The back will probably be easier to measure because the brakes will be smaller and less likely to get in the way.

As for the offset, I dont know, ROH (http://www.roh.com.au/pages/html/home.htm) dont have specs on their site like Speedy (http://www.speedywheels.com.au/Speedy_Steel.htm) do

keep us posted on how they progress, am interested to see how they go. I considered them but there wasn't much info on them at the time.

P.S Look Good to.


They aren't bad gidget.... like i said, only time will tell if the retreads hold out. I don't do a lot of extreme 4WDing (not really possible in a deo) The wheels are good value, as long as you don't have the shit fight i had getting them delivered!! If yer a mexican then it wouldn't be much of a problem because thats where they are based.


blu..... the shocks fitted to it, although just about rooted, are not stock, so i think i can get away with them with 2" of lift... i guess if they are not long enough and i happen to break one :-X then it will give me the excuse to get the budget from the minister of finance to buy new ones!! ;D ;D ;D Up top for thinkin, down there for dancin ;)

[gidget]

That theory has been workin for me. Now how do I tell her to get a 2nd job. ;DLOL

[baby_troupe]

i guess if they are not long enough and i happen to break one :-X then it will give me the excuse to get the budget from the minister of finance to buy new ones!! ;D ;D ;D Up top for thinkin, down there for dancin ;)

You might not break a shock, but break the mount.
Depends on what the weakest point is for what is gonna break.

[Humpy]

You may need to modify the mount to fit a long enough shock. I had to.

You may need to modify the mount to fit a long enough shock. I had to.


I'm told i can get longer travel shocks for it.... not sure of the brand... about 200 bux per set....... i don't want double action shocks.... they make the vehicle ride a little rougher.

[Humpy]

I'm told i can get longer travel shocks for it.... not sure of the brand... about 200 bux per set....... i don't want double action shocks.... they make the vehicle ride a little rougher.

I was told that too, but when fitted they limited bump travel by about 15mm and droop by 30-40mm

[cookie]

I have a set of 32x10.5x15 monoform mongrels on my zook. The tyres are very good in the bush, they get my zook anywere. My zook is not road worthy as I am only 15, so I am yet to find out what they go like on the road.

I have a set of 32x10.5x15 monoform mongrels on my zook. The tyres are very good in the bush, they get my zook anywere. My zook is not road worthy as I am only 15, so I am yet to find out what they go like on the road.


I want to try the monoform tyres when these are finished...... i'm not overly concerned about 0n-road performance...... you just have to drive within your vehicles limits :)

[nigel2003]

I run a set on my GQ they are 33.12.5.15s. After reading articles in 4WD Monthly i thought I would give them a go. Off road are fantastic on road a little noisy. I havent seen any significant wear as yet.
If you go back to the article in the mag Feb or Mar I think, they are rated as good for 40 to 50 K. I chose them for two reasons first one being the review and second they are about $100 a corner cheaper than say BFGs. As my truck is not my daily runner ( twice a week I run it to work) in the dirt I found them to be excellent.
As for pricing, try Wide Tread in Ferntree Gully Vic they were putting them out for $185 a tyre a short time ago.
Hope this helps.
Nigel

[Mick The Mav]

Im glad this topic was brought up i am looking at buying a set of mongrel muddies for my rig and was wondering about their performance on and off road. Of course like most things its a compromise,but at the moment Im running a set of Kumho muddies.On the black stuff i run 40psi and drop them to 20psi in the scrub,they have done an honest to god 41000kms(i have a log book as proof,but of course there will be doubters)and they still have enough tread to last another 8-10thou.Tire wear comes down to the driver.Drive your rig like your on a race track and kiss longevity out the window,but treat them with a little care and you will reap the benefits. If any one has run mongrels i would like to here from them,sometimes the most expensive isnt always the best.
hey toylux,i don't need to see your log book to prove the longevity(big word!) of your kumho's. i bought my truck in jan 2000 with kumho venture at's on it & although i swap to muddies for off road work & sometimes leave em on for a month or so(bad back,lazy bastard)the kuhmo's still have plenty of life left in em. my cruiser had kumho at's (dueller pattern) for two years before i sold it & they looked as good as the day i bought em.when my hankook muds are stuffed i'll be lookin at the mongrels for off road so like you im watching with interest.

[Mick The Mav]

DOH!!! :Pjust realized how old this thread is. but this is good,now all you blokes that bought the mongrels can tell us how they went

[desray]

Mongrel also comes in a 285x75x16 size (33") and fits on a 8" rim .