Wvo

[sudso]

Got 160lts of used frying oil yesterday.
I'm going to clean and treat (de-acid and de-water) a 20lt drum of it to trial 1st.
Going to mix it with 30% diesel with some FuelX additive as well.
Should I add some kero and/or acetone too?
BTW I'm going to replace all the natural rubber lines with synthetic ones before I run it.
My rig is a GQ TD42 turbo.

[marki]

There's no need to replace your fuel lines - that's something you only neeed to consider if you're running biodiesel, and even then most peolpe consider it unnecessary (altho I did it).

Kero's probably OK, but I wouldn't use acetone - its flash point is too low and it will probably preignite

[sudso]

Yeah I was thinking kero or something to help prevent waxing as I only want to mix it with about 30% diesel.
I thought veggy oil was acidic to natural rubber hence replacing the natural rubber lines, or is that only if the oil is untreated (not separating the fatty aids)?
Do you know what the kilojoule rating of veggy oil is? I'm wondering if there will be any power difference.

[Ragster]

What's involved in "treating " the oil? Sounds interesting.

[RODEONICK]

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oh and sudso i don't recommend the 70/30 blend you plan on running. i think that 50/50 is still too high for your vehicle. You have been warned.
by the sounds of your posts you are wingin it. i suggest you do more research into what your doing. read up on the above link, do a seach on that forum under 'blends' or similar. goodluck with your experiments.
cheers Nick.

[HiCountryCruisr]

Was looking at doing something similar a while back. The info I found, from a mob in Tassie, was that it needs to be mixed with methanol and caustic soda. Leave it sit for 24 hours, drain the glycerine, filter and use. Can't find the info or link at the moment, but if tou're interested, just PM me and I'll chase it up for you.

[RODEONICK]

what you were looking at was actually making biodiesel.
what sudso is doing is Blending WVO with Diesel. He is just filtering the oil then mixing it with diesel. (no reaction, no by product,no chemicals)

[sudso]

What's involved in "treating " the oil? Sounds interesting.
Filtering it through filter bags to remove solids (bits of food etc.) and chemically treating it to separate water and acids suspended in the oil.

[RODEONICK]

what chemcals are you refuring to?

[sudso]

Grrr! The stuff I got isn't oil, its friggan lard!!!
That'll teach me for being in a hurry. I open a lid this arvo to check it out to discover it aint oil:o
Wait til I see the shop owner next. I'll ask her what the difference is between oil and lard lol. She told me it was oil. Musta seen me comin!
Ah well, got some friends out the road with a piggery, I'll see if they want it for pigfeed.

[HiCountryCruisr]

what chemcals are you refuring to?

Found the site. how to make biodiesel (http://www.tasmanenergy.com.au/biodiesel.htm)

Just quickly, for a test batch, it says to use 500ml veggie oil (used or new), 100ml methanol and 2 grams of caustic soda.

[sudso]

Yep, meth and caustic for cleaning and separating. If the Methanol mix is 1 part meth to 5 parts oil, how much is pure methanol p/lt?
Unfortunately all the used cooking oil is already accounted for around here which leaves me with 8 drums of useless lard, unless there is a way to liquify it and keep it liquified. And will it burn???

I was on a site the other night where all they did was filter the WVO down to 5 microns and mixed it 50/50 with diesel and a bottle of diesel conditoner then just poured it in the tank. but I didnt save the site in favourites and cant remember what it was called.:(

[HiCountryCruisr]

Yeah, on an episode of mythbusters, the filtered used vegie oil and the motor ran on 100% filtered vegie oil, not mixed with diesel or anything else.

[RODEONICK]

I suggest you call it by it proper name than its biodiesel.
What your doing is biodiesel so don't bother filtering as the reaction drops all the crud out.
I buy my methanol from a sprintcar racing shop for $225 for 205 litres.
If your making biodiesel you can run it at 100% concentrations as i do.
don't throw out the oil you have it probably oil just with a high melting point. oh and best of all you can still make biodiesel out of lard even.



a diesel can run on straight filtered waste vegge oil but the oil MUST be heated prior to the filters and IP if you plan on longterm use of your vehicle. Once again mythbusters half telling the story.:crazy:

[Farmer Joe]

Sudso,
I'm no computer wizz...but if you wanted the name of the site you could just look at your recent history and run through the listings if you can remember roughly which day it was..I have to do it often cos I don't always put stuff in favs either.
Good luck with the biodiesel blending thing.

[azzad]

I got some info from these guys, not knowing anything about it the book he has written is worth reading.

Vegie Cars - VegieCars, Chip Oil, Veggie Cars, WVO, SVO, UCO, Veggie Oil, Carbon Cops, Biodiesel, Biofuel (http://www.vegiecars.com/)

Still havent done anything about it. Dont use the truck enough to warrant the cost of setting it up.

Dazza

[Chaz]

Grrr! The stuff I got isn't oil, its friggan lard!!!


Don't be too quick. Lard makes great BD. Only real issue is gel point. Old dude I know uses lard, 200 litres at a time. He only makes BD in summer and has no problems above 5 degrees C. I am talking the whole meth/caustic soda process here. If you had intended to just filter and use, then you do have a problem.

Chaz

[smt01]

do u have to use vegie oil or can u use fish oil instead

[nilla60]

How to get the Terrorist Hotline or home meth lab folk to visit? ;-p

[sudso]

Don't be too quick. Lard makes great BD. Only real issue is gel point. Old dude I know uses lard, 200 litres at a time. He only makes BD in summer and has no problems above 5 degrees C. I am talking the whole meth/caustic soda process here. If you had intended to just filter and use, then you do have a problem.

ChazIn the video I saw the bloke just filtered the solid bits (food bits etc.) from the waste veggie oil and mixed it with dino. Ran his diesel Isuzu car on it.
I know all about the inline pre heat/filter/start on dino/shut down on dino thing running straight wvo. Maybe I could run it off heat from my turbo instead of having all the other crap.

[RODEONICK]

In the video I saw the bloke just filtered the solid bits (food bits etc.) from the waste veggie oil and mixed it with dino. Ran his diesel Isuzu car on it.
I know all about the inline pre heat/filter/start on dino/shut down on dino thing running straight wvo. Maybe I could run it off heat from my turbo instead of having all the other crap.

it aint crap its nessesary to ensure that the WVO will pass through the filters and IP and be injected at a lower viscosity.

many people do dodgy things but is it really worth stuffing your truck by half arseing a conversion? I think not. most heat exchangers are coolant type and are great because they are regulated by your existing cooling system so in actual fact have less crap.
Cheers Mate.

[azzad]

The attitude of some people who appear to be in the know is almost enough to put you of trying.

Dazza

[RODEONICK]

The attitude of some people who appear to be in the know is almost enough to put you of trying.

Dazza

Fair point Dazza
My reasoning is that if i have to have an attitude to get the point accross to just one person from stuffing their truck it'll be worth the ATTITUDE.

If someone stuffs their truck then they say "WVO ruined my engine" and the bands of people then say " A mate of mine stuffed his truck on that shit" when usually in reality they should have said '"My ignorance and nobody seting me straight ruined my engine"

People can ignore my advice but i'll continue to give it because maybe just maybe it could prevent a costly mistake to someone.

I hope you can respect my position.
Cheers Nick

[sudso]

Dont worry I'm not going to experiment on my vehicle. Might sound like I'm going to go in half arsed but its just my way of trying to collect info.
I dont think coolant temps will get frytol to a thin enough viscosity though.

[marki]

I dont think coolant temps will get frytol to a thin enough viscosity though.

It will y'know.....http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/23/23_144_10.gif (http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZNfox000)

[D Hall]

Safest way to run striaght wvo or lard is with a two tank system.My truck is set up this way.Has been for some time now,would bet getting to 2yrs.Only problem is the the time it takes to get the tank hot.Wich I`ve now sloved for when I leave home.If you do make bio diesel the goverment will wan`t to tax you lots.Were if you use only un proccessed oil or fat it`s tax free.
Cheers D Hall

[Renasc]

Grrr! The stuff I got isn't oil, its friggan lard!!!

Bugger.

I lol'd.

:)

[Bugs62]

Have a look here,could be worth a try. Bio-Diesel: Farm Grown Profit (http://www.oilcrusher.5u.com/)

Ivan.

[hazza]

If you do make bio diesel the goverment will wan`t to tax you lots.Were if you use only un proccessed oil or fat it`s tax free.
Cheers D Hall
WTF? How they hell would they know if you are taking 3 basic ingrediants and making your own BD at home?

Do they have some sort of agency that cross checks every single person buying methanol with those that bought sodium hydroxide at a supermarket then check thay are not getting WVO from their local chip shop?

[Marc 1]

Grrr! The stuff I got isn't oil, its friggan lard!!!
That'll teach me for being in a hurry. I open a lid this arvo to check it out to discover it aint oil:o
Wait til I see the shop owner next. I'll ask her what the difference is between oil and lard lol. She told me it was oil.

Sudso, it probably is oil of some sort - many cooking oils are solid at room temp (yep 100% vege oils). Sorry about the late advice.

[stRanger]

Check out this link Blend NIGHTMARE! Beware! - Topic Powered by eve community (http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/eve/ubb.x/a/tpc/f/159605551/m/563103245/p/1)
for a real horror story about WVO.