New LC. V8 diesel?

[double diffa]

What's the difference between the V8 in the new ute/troopy compared with the 200 series?
I was under the impression they were the same donk, but the ute claims 430NM and the 200 series claims 650NM :confused:

[Booka]

200 twin tubo set up, 70 single turbo

[double diffa]

200 twin tubo set up, 70 single turbo

Ah ha, sneeky pooftaarrs, why not put the extra snail on them all? cost I suppose.
Hardly worth owning the ute, with only one hair dryer.!
Wouldn't mind one in my old Runner though. :thumb: :truck:

[Booka]

I'd love to chuck one in the 60 or even my falcon :D

[nilla60]

Ah ha, sneeky pooftaarrs, why not put the extra snail on them all? cost I suppose.
Hardly worth owning the ute, with only one hair dryer.!
It's so Australia will have a huge after market industry with people putting 200 series gear into 70s and tweaking chips. Think of it, the base V8 is capable of handling nearly double what it ships with.

Had a funny chat with a Subaru WRX dude at work today. He points out the new WRX STi does 400ish Nm @ 4,000 rpm. I point out the new motors do more than at at barely above idle (so let's play tug of war instead of racing...).

[Tonka_Tough]

from what i heard there isnt the room in the 70's for the twin turbo set up. also theres the possibility that the 5 speed manual cant handel the power of a twin turbo, which would explain why the 200 isnt available in a manual.

would be interesting to see what sombody could do with one of these motors with a differernt cam and head, maybe even a super charger instead of a turbo, would help with space in a smaller engine bay.
wouldnt be surprised if you could make it keep up with a LS2 in comp rig.

[jim0001]

from what i heard there isnt the room in the 70's for the twin turbo set up. also theres the possibility that the 5 speed manual cant handel the power of a twin turbo, which would explain why the 200 isnt available in a manual.

would be interesting to see what sombody could do with one of these motors with a differernt cam and head, maybe even a super charger instead of a turbo, would help with space in a smaller engine bay.
wouldnt be surprised if you could make it keep up with a LS2 in comp rig.


From the Toyota website for the Toy V8 turbo diesel:

Maximum Power 195kW @ 3400rpm
Maximum Torque 650Nm @ 1600rpm

These are good nmbers, but...

An Ls1 with a supercharger will deliver:


Maximum Power 360kW @ 5200rpm
Maximum Torque 630Nm @ 2800rpm

May be a little give and take on the revs insofar as the max power and torque figures are concerned, so dont hold me to the exact rev number here.

The point being that you can get a substantial increase in power and same torque from a petrol engine, and I bet you can put a blown LS1 into a 100 series for a lot less than buying a 200.

Now, diesel will give you better overall economy, but if you work out the difference in purchase price, I think you will find it will buy a helluva lot of petrol.

Still.....one mans meat....

Jim

[double diffa]

Excuse my ignorance, but what's an LS1?

[double diffa]

I'd love to chuck one in the 60 or even my falcon :D

Good to see there are still some 60 series fans about.
I went around Australia in my old 60 in 18 days (17000km) with no more trouble than a leaky rear pinnion oil seal from the "Gibb River rd"
Only sold it because I became single again and wanted something smaller. Yay the 60:thumb:

[THE RIG]

LS1 is the GEN3 V8 or 5.7L motor in the commodores and shit

[Tonka_Tough]

From the Toyota website for the Toy V8 turbo diesel:

Maximum Power 195kW @ 3400rpm
Maximum Torque 650Nm @ 1600rpm

These are good nmbers, but...

An Ls1 with a supercharger will deliver:


Maximum Power 360kW @ 5200rpm
Maximum Torque 630Nm @ 2800rpm



ok, wasnt actualy interested in the figures of a superchaged LS1, it seems (could be very wrong) that most comp rigs have naturaly aspirated v8's out similiar to those in the HSV. but i was thinking the D4D V8 is proberly capable of 400kW with the right cam and such in it. and there are advantages with the diesel over a petrol, such as haveing to carry less fuel in the first place. plus i bet it would sound alot different then a Chevy.
im a diesel man at heart, my cruiser is a diesel and i drive B doubles for work, runs in the veins. id like to see it done and i reckon it could beat the petrols in speed.

[double diffa]

ok, wasnt actualy interested in the figures of a superchaged LS1, it seems (could be very wrong) that most comp rigs have naturaly aspirated v8's out similiar to those in the HSV. but i was thinking the D4D V8 is proberly capable of 400kW with the right cam and such in it. and there are advantages with the diesel over a petrol, such as haveing to carry less fuel in the first place. plus i bet it would sound alot different then a Chevy.
im a diesel man at heart, my cruiser is a diesel and i drive B doubles for work, runs in the veins. id like to see it done and i reckon it could beat the petrols in speed.

You can sure get diesels honking if you know what you are doing.
VW were pulling 280HP out of their 2litre turbo diesel Golf rally cars.
And believe it or not, a cummins powered turbo diesel car took pole position at Indianapolis in 1952.
Think what could be done with todays technology!!

[Punk_Cruiser]

You can sure get diesels honking if you know what you are doing.
VW were pulling 280HP out of their 2litre turbo diesel Golf rally cars.
And believe it or not, a cummins powered turbo diesel car took pole position at Indianapolis in 1952.
Think what could be done with todays technology!!


Not to mention Audi has won a few races with their twin turbo 5.5 litre diesel v12 (f1?)race car. The torque band of this thing is 3000 - 5500 rpm for a race engine meaning it last longer and doesn't use as much fuel as it's petrol powered counterparts.

cheers

[Tonka_Tough]

Not to mention Audi has won a few races with their twin turbo 5.5 litre diesel v12 (f1?)race car. The torque band of this thing is 3000 - 5500 rpm for a race engine meaning it last longer and doesn't use as much fuel as it's petrol powered counterparts.

cheers


that car actualy finnished its first year around the circuits with out a single loss. won every race. and if i remember correctly when they were building it alot of people said it wouldnt get far.

[jim0001]

LS1 is the GEN3 V8 or 5.7L motor in the commodores and shit


Not correct.

To start with the Gen 3 is an excellent motor, and despite some early production problems in Australia, has proved itself both here and in the US.

The motor lends itself to conversions, and offers excellent power and torque curves, and both of these figures can be easily improved with aftermarket tunes and accessories.

If you are going to make statements as you have above, you want to be supporting your assertions with facts.

Jim

[MJ80]

Not correct.

To start with the Gen 3 is an excellent motor, and despite some early production problems in Australia, has proved itself both here and in the US.

The motor lends itself to conversions, and offers excellent power and torque curves, and both of these figures can be easily improved with aftermarket tunes and accessories.

If you are going to make statements as you have above, you want to be supporting your assertions with facts.

Jim

what ??? he hasn't said anything to the contrary... all he said was that its the motor in commys...

wtf are u on about. :confused:

[hulsty]

Not correct.

To start with the Gen 3 is an excellent motor, and despite some early production problems in Australia, has proved itself both here and in the US.

The motor lends itself to conversions, and offers excellent power and torque curves, and both of these figures can be easily improved with aftermarket tunes and accessories.

If you are going to make statements as you have above, you want to be supporting your assertions with facts.

Jim

The bloke wasnt bagging the motor! BUT!, there we no production problems with the GEN3 here, cause they were never built here :crazy: they had issue where the were built overseas somewhere.

Regarding the stock motors, more so the early variants the GEN3 has not had a good low rpm torque output that is expected of a large capacity V8, needs a few rpms on board to build decent torque. Needs $$$ spent to get it upto scratch.

Diesel V8 shits all over it anyways

[jim0001]

what ??? he hasn't said anything to the contrary... all he said was that its the motor in commys...

wtf are u on about. :confused:

Re-read his post, here is what he said.

"LS1 is the GEN3 V8 or 5.7L motor in the commodores and shit"


I am disagreeing with him and suggesting he support his argument with facts.

Jim

[crusin]

Jim, I think you may have takin it out of context, I read that as the LS1 is the motor that is fitted to the commodores and the like.
I dont believe he's baggin the motor.

[jim0001]

Jim, I think you may have takin it out of context, I read that as the LS1 is the motor that is fitted to the commodores and the like.
I dont believe he's baggin the motor.

Aahhh..if thats the case, I see what you are driving at.

I read it otherwise prior to my intial post....

I hadn't heard other Holden models reffered to as "and shit" lol

Thanks for clarifying.

Jim