Blueprints for 200 miles per gallon Pogue carburettor

[piepalook]

All the info on this remarkable invention i got 3rd hand.
I have not seen or built this nor did i test it.

I heard that this was the carburettor used by the allies during the second world war in allied tanks.
Immediately after the war these carburettors were removed.
I also heard that the Americans dropped a number of tanks fitted with these carburettors overboard in the Phillipines.

It seems the original plans came to the fore recently.

It is up to some clever people to sort the facts from the myths.

It makes for interesting reading.

Here are the original blueprints.

Charles Nelson Pogue: US Patent #1,759,354 ("Carburetor") (http://www.rexresearch.com/pogue/1pogue.htm)

[DGR01]

All the info on this remarkable invention i got 3rd hand.
I have not seen or built this nor did i test it.

I heard that this was the carburettor used by the allies during the second world war in allied tanks.
Immediately after the war these carburettors were removed.
I also heard that the Americans dropped a number of tanks fitted with these carburettors overboard in the Phillipines.

It seems the original plans came to the fore recently.

It is up to some clever people to sort the facts from the myths.

It makes for interesting reading.

Here are the original blueprints.

Charles Nelson Pogue: US Patent #1,759,354 ("Carburetor") (http://www.rexresearch.com/pogue/1pogue.htm)


THATS AWESOME!!!!!
but then they developed a NEW system that utilised the latest manufacturing and processing techniques . . . . . .

they called it LPG!!!!!!

There is a physics term called BSFC. shame to say but there is no way around it!!!!!

[Freight Dog]

DGR01

What does BSFC stand for?

[griz]

I found this. Maybe this is what he was talking about.

Brake specific fuel consumption - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brake_specific_fuel_consumption)

[Guss]

Great read! 1930s tucked away its said by the Oil companies! this could be interesting to follow! Just think what the Greenies will say about this one??

[diehard]

For a internal combustion engine to go 200mp/g, it would take so long the fuel would evaporate long before you made it.

Engines require a certain amount of fuel to create power. Limit the fuel, limit the power. It might be possible to get better fuel economy by copying the vaporisation technique of the carby.

If i could somehow force the fuel into the combustion chamber by subjecting it to great pressure through a small orifice it will vapourise.....I will call my new invention Fuel Injection

I agree with a quote in the link above:

"You can get fantastic mileage if you’re prepared to de-rate the vehicle to a point where, for example, it might take you ten minutes to accelerate from 0 to 30 miles an hour."

Lets not forget that Da Vinci invented a wooden flying machine. It didnt work, but he invented it.

[cac]

i'm with diehard...i've no doubt 200mpg is possible under the right circumstances...but most likely in a small engine powering a very small vehicle...say a 50cc scooter that is only capable of 30mph...

sure there's been heaps of fuel saving inventions out there...but i'm sceptical about a lot of them, especially if i haven't seen them in action

[diehard]

Miles Per Gallon (U.S.) = 200.00
Kilometer Per Liter = 85.03
MPG (U.K. gallons) = 240.20

The story says he drove a V8 ford for 200 miles on one gallon of fuel.

He also wore a hat, had a knitted parcel shelf cover, and had his left indicator on for 130 of those miles. :D

In 1933, when this all took place, the only V8 was the Model 18 with a flathead, which generated about 65-75hp (depending on ignition system). Mind you, it was in the middle of the depression, and many people couldnt afford to eat, let alone run a V8. Might of all been a marketing ploy to boost V8 sales :confused:

Also, in the 30s fuel wasn't cracked so it was basically white spirit or Shellite.

Preheating the fuel to form a gas instead of a vaporised liquid makes sense, but it becomes harder to meter, and tends to displace air instead of mixing with it.

then there's this :

The 100 MPG Carburetor Myth (http://www.mikebrownsolutions.com/fish3.htm)

[MOPAR or NO CAR]

I'll take my bundy hi-clone any day over this (thanks Beej) :D

[Marc 1]

Miles Per Gallon (U.S.) = 200.00
Kilometer Per Liter = 85.03
MPG (U.K. gallons) = 240.20

The story says he drove a V8 ford for 200 miles on one gallon of fuel.

He also wore a hat, had a knitted parcel shelf cover, and had his left indicator on for 130 of those miles. :D

In 1933, when this all took place, the only V8 was the Model 18 with a flathead, which generated about 65-75hp (depending on ignition system). Mind you, it was in the middle of the depression, and many people couldnt afford to eat, let alone run a V8. Might of all been a marketing ploy to boost V8 sales :confused:

Also, in the 30s fuel wasn't cracked so it was basically white spirit or Shellite.

Preheating the fuel to form a gas instead of a vaporised liquid makes sense, but it becomes harder to meter, and tends to displace air instead of mixing with it.

then there's this :

The 100 MPG Carburetor Myth (http://www.mikebrownsolutions.com/fish3.htm)

Aww geez diehard, next you'll be telling me there's no Easter Bunny and that Santa's only a myth:cry:

[Chuckanoo]

Do a Google search for either get113to138mpg, Allen Caggiano and the FIVS or search for FIVS unit.
Or this link Allen Caggiano and the FIVS (http://www.renovationpress.com/AllenCaggiano.html)

[ol blu 40]

Yep yep, uh-huh... as a mechanic by trade, all I can say is what a load of horse s**t! Don't ya think car makers would be all over this if it were possible? Pipe dreams.... as in smokin too many pipes!

Cheers, Matt

[Freight Dog]

Lets take a closer look at this 100mpg BS.

100mpg = 1.2 litres/100km

1 litre of gasoline contains 34,700 kilo Joules of energy.

So what exactly does this mean.

Well the definition of power (watts) is determined by the amount of energy (joules) burnt per second.

So watts (W) = joules (J)/ seconds (t)

Lets assume it takes 1 hour to travel 100km

therefore at 1.2L/100km

W=1.2x34,700,000/3600
=11,56.66

or 11.56 kW

What all this means is if we operate an engine at 100% effeciency for 1 hour using 1.2 litres of gasoline, the most it can output is 11.56 kW, or about 15 horse power.
This engine would not need a cooloing system as at 100% effeciency it would not produce any heat.

We have still not considered transmission losses.

What all this means is, if your vehicle requires more than 11.56 kW (at the flywheel) to propel it, then it will be impossible to gain 100 mpg. Or for 200mpg 5.78 kW.

A 100mpg passenger car is therefore pure fantasy as there is simply not enough energy in 1 gallon of petrol to do it.

Found an interesting link

The Flat Earth Society -- Home (http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm)

I guess we can all learn something from this one!

[ice_spy]

Yes i believe this could be true...............







If you were travelling in SPACE.

[hilux_bondy_007]

i read abt this ages in a book that all these "stories" from america. the guy that tried redoing this to his ute in the 80's had it almost fine tuned then disappeared. dont no how much of its true but most of the stories ended wit ppl gettin to close to save ppl money and others not makin it.

[watermouse]

Did anyone notice the date on the article...
Charles Nelson Pogue: US Patent #1,759,354 ("Carburetor") (http://www.rexresearch.com/pogue/1pogue.htm)


Neil.

[kranky al]

i always hated pogues - fat lazy good for nothing q wallahs

[steveandviv]

Yes i believe this could be true...............







If you were travelling in SPACE.

And had actually invented the *flux* capacitor:D

[Harb]

Yeah the whole thing was an april fools joke to sucker people in like it did here hahahahahaha

[Marc 1]

i always hated pogues - fat lazy good for nothing q wallahs

LOL, and they never wanted to give you anything just in case someone else wanted it:crazy:

[et4wd]

Lets not forget that Da Vinci invented a wooden flying machine. It didnt work, but he invented it.

Are you talking about the spring powered 'air screw'?
If you are it did work!......didnt go far but it worked!

Steve.

[et4wd]

WHAT!!! and april fools joke?
I was just scanning Ebay to get the first cheap chinese version! LOL

Steve.