New JK rubicon 4 door

[grover1968]

Hi Jeep owners. I am new to this section as I am a Land rover Owner. My disco is to heavily modded with to much lift and 35" simex extreme's. Now the Qld Laws are just to much of a risk so its of to the scrap heap. I am just about to invest in a Rubicon 4 door and was wondering if anybody who has one knows how accurate there fuel claims of 12ltr to the 100km combined are ? !!!!!! On the petrol v6.

[tasar]

go to AUSJEEPOFFROAD.COM (http://www.ausjeepoffroad.com) and they will tell you

[YoungGun]

they are pretty accurate i know a guy who owns an auto 4 door and i work for a guy who specailizes in jeeps

[adomw06]

I'd like to see 12l/100 - best I've ever got is 12.5 on a long highway run with my 4 door rubicon

city is 16-18, dunes - 20-25

so 12 combined - dreaming

mind the rubicaon has 4.1 diffs and the non rubicon has 3.7

ado

[grover1968]

Thats pretty disapointing then. Jeep trying to get sales in a market which is rewarding lower fuel ecconomy by useing false ecconomy figures. We have seen this happening with companies like Nissan on other threads on here.
Dam it. that just pisses me off !! I was really excited about getting one but with those figures there is no way !!
We were seeing the accountant this week to get it all sorted.
DAM
DAM
DAM

[matt#73]

Thats pretty disapointing then. Jeep trying to get sales in a market which is rewarding lower fuel ecconomy by useing false ecconomy figures. We have seen this happening with companies like Nissan on other threads on here.
Dam it. that just pisses me off !! I was really excited about getting one but with those figures there is no way !!
We were seeing the accountant this week to get it all sorted.
DAM
DAM
DAM

If you are that worried about fuel economy you need to buy a car. I have a 4dr CRD Wrangler and I would love it even if it was 20/100 on the HWY. The figures that was posted were not that bad, any 4WD will give shity economy off road.. Don't miss out owning a great car for reasons of fuel economy.

[grover1968]

Matt 73 I have a 95 disco V8 lifted 5 inches running 35 simexes and I know about bad fuel ecconomy. You have to realise that in this day of massive fuel prices that your statement could only be considered by someone who has all the money in the world to spend.
If you put fuel consumption down as just a minimal factor you have to be dreaming, especially if you live in the city.
If I was to tow my camper trailer with it I would no doubt return figures of above 20ltrs -25ltrs this is terrible.
You would be limited by your fuel ecconomy in the amout of trips you could take away and how far you could travel. Just to get diff locks and a few other goodies that can be bought aftermarket for the same coin. When you factor in the cost involved of camping alone for a family, the fuel consumption of the vehicle plays a massive part in weather you go or not.
Going up to the 4wd expo and competition at landcruiser park this weekend a mere 170km from Brisbane and I will probably have a fuel bill of $110 just to cover the drive there and back with no driving around so maybe up to $200 all up. $135 for the camping and the list just keeps going.
I definatly think the CRD Unlimited is the way to go it is far better for towing. Well just far better if you factor in the price difference.

[grover1968]

Matt#73 what fuel figures are you seeing with your CRD. Do you tow with it at all. would be great to see some figures towing a camper. I would imagine it would not increase to much. The land rover diesels hardly increase at all towing.

[Jk Unlimited]

I have a "non rubi" 4 door with the 3.8 and 6 speed, and the fuel economy just seems to be getting better, after 35,000km, im averageing 11.4l/100km, and thats in Sydney traffic. On the HWY loaded up it gets around 10.2, but it does take a light foot, and using 6th and cruise a lot.

[Yom]

Grover what did you end up doing?

[jeeptheone]

Grover,

Remember that the claimed fuel economy is done in a controlled environment/conditions in a lab and not in the real world. All vehicle manufactures love these as they do paint a better tale than we may sometimes get. My mate gets better in his auto Lux than what was stated but another guy at work is getting terrible figures from his 76 series. Same as trying to comapre the exact KW figures from the sales pitch, every engine is different and if you put it on the dyno it would not match.

JTO

[Yom]

15L/100km is what you would expect from a rubicon, combined average.

I'm sorry, but this is 2008. That sort of fuel consumption from a 3.8L V6 in this day and age with relatively woeful power output is just unacceptable.

I loved the JK Wrangler Rubicon when I drove it. But when I put the figures on paper, I can't justify it. The motor is too gutless for me to justify feeding it that much petrol. I'll wait another couple of years and mabye mature out of gunning it over big boulders in my troll and get a wrangler if the put a decent farken engine in it...bring on the V8 hemi or V6 diesel from the Grand... Now THAT will be a winner.

[Jeep012]

yeah jeeps are notorious for the crap fuel economy . .


tried some things:
Hi-clone = Fail
Air filter = fail

snorkels going good so far .. improved fuel economy a little

[myjeep2000]

Geez Jeep012,

I have to say I can't agree with you on this one. I have the 4.7l V8 Grand and think the fuel economy is pretty good.

My missus averages around 14.5l/100km with combined highway/city driving and I return about 16l/100k's (I have a much heavier foot and enjoy the power a little too much!!)

My 5l V8 Holden Statesman was pretty close to the same figures, so I think for a fairly decent sized 4x4 that's ok.

Offroad the figures are much higher, but what do we expect?

[Yom]

14.5L to 18L/100km for the 4.7L V8.... and how much power does it make compared to the 3.8L V8 which makes the same power????

This is what I mean. Pathetic. Put the V8 in the JK Chrysler!!!

[tasar]

yom which 3.8l v8?

the chipped version is much better which came out in the overland WG grand

I agree they should offer the 5.7l v8 hemi in the jk - would sell well here

[Yom]

JK's 3.7L or 3.8L whatever they want to call it :) The mini van donk

[tasar]

ok Yom ...- the 3.8l is a V6 not a v8

the big donks are in the commander and Grand - 3l crd and the 5.7l hemi
the wg/wj grands have 4.7l v8 has about
the 3.7l is in the old KJ

the tj's have the 4l i6

Here's the power out of the grand engines - they are a good donk with heaps of go Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ - Engine specifications (http://www.wjjeeps.com/engine.htm#GENERAL)

[YoungGun]

the 3.0L v6 diesel IS coming out in the wrangler soon so that is also and option

[Yom]

ok Yom ...- the 3.8l is a V6 not a v8

the big donks are in the commander and Grand - 3l crd and the 5.7l hemi
the wg/wj grands have 4.7l v8 has about
the 3.7l is in the old KJ

the tj's have the 4l i6

Here's the power out of the grand engines - they are a good donk with heaps of go Jeep Grand Cherokee WJ - Engine specifications (http://www.wjjeeps.com/engine.htm#GENERAL)

Thanks but look a few posts above.. v8 was simply a typo.


3.0L V6 in the JK sounds promising. Would hate to see the price tag though considering a (crap-spec) petrol Rubicon unlimited sets you back $50,000 out the door at best.

pps: i should note, i'm not being a wanker. i've got the money to throw at a new car right now. The JK is a nice vehicle and will do all I ask of it (providing I go a bit softer and drive it like its a patrol i guess) and would allow me to sell the patrol and have just the one vehicle to bum around in for work and personal use but the value for money isnt there with that pathetic motor.

[David Anderson]

I don't understand why there's no diesel Rubicon -

Jeep must not spend much time on market research or something.

I think a Rubicon in the 3ltr would be awesome..

[tasar]

I don't understand why there's no diesel Rubicon -

Jeep must not spend much time on market research or something.

I think a Rubicon in the 3ltr would be awesome..

The CRD rubi is available in Europe - not here or US not sure why

if It does come here i'd like too see it in the 3l v6 as a point of difference

I think it would be in the mid to high 50's - still heaps cheaper than its rivals

[Yom]

What rivals?

The JK has no rivals. It is in a class of its own. Its only competitors are the other models in its line up.

[Lushy]

Just got a 2.8l CRD and it is pulling 11l to 100ks and hasnt put the first tank of diesel thru it, gee try and get that in any of the jap cars at the moment.
At $47 K i am doind well when the same in Toyota will cost me over 70 grand.
People say that Toyota are best in the bush but you still have to wait a week in Cape York for minor Parts so it is the same for Jeep, if they cannot fix it the car gets shipped back to a major town where it can, by RACV total cover ( if you are smart) That is my two bobs worth!:waycool:

[Lushy]

The Diesel will come over the whole range in time - just gotta wait, while they get the marketing right.
I have a detinator yellow 2008 JK, they thought they would sell like hot cakes but no, I was lucky not to have waited 6 months for what I wanted, lucky me!!!

[Sim79]

What rivals?

The JK has no rivals. It is in a class of its own. Its only competitors are the other models in its line up.

I been JK fan for long time and was planning too replace my old Nissan GQ with a 4 door JK but today I seen a Landcruiser 76 for the first time and was very impressed. Its an nice small 4x4 compared to the 200 series or a Patrol wagon. JK is of the wish list and the 76 Landcruiser will be my next 4x4.

[pmturnbull]

76 is good but is narrower in width not as stable off road, has leaf rear end so won't flex as much and the skinny rear axle compared to the front makes for interesting towing on high speed long bends (my mates trailer kept wanting to over take him). Still has a steering shaft which will pentrate your chest in an head on accident has no airbags or abs.

good points of 76
nice strong motor
simple real simple
half decent offroad and under belly clearance good
gvm is high meaning no need to worry about adding extra weight


good points for jeep 4 door
modern interior with everything you need and nothing you don't
esp,traction control and abs
great diesel
starts at half the price
offroad pack option now for diesel with rear locker lower diff ratios and front swaybar disconnect.
coil springs alround
fit 35" tyres with a 2" lift

[navara009]

Sorry but i have to do this :crazy:
76 is good but is narrower in width not as stable off road, has leaf rear end so won't flex as much and the skinny rear axle compared to the front makes for interesting towing on high speed long bends (my mates trailer kept wanting to over take him). Still has a steering shaft which will pentrate your chest in an head on accident has no airbags or abs.

good points of 76
nice strong motor
simple real simple
half decent offroad and under belly clearance good
gvm is high meaning no need to worry about adding extra weight
Doesnt burst into flames at random

good points for jeep 4 door
modern interior with everything you need and nothing you don't
esp,traction control and abs
great diesel
starts at half the price
offroad pack option now for diesel with rear locker lower diff ratios and front swaybar disconnect.
coil springs alround
fit 35" tyres with a 2" lift

I have to admit the wrangler would be better for more hardcore wheeling it ticks all the boxes but i would still much prefer to head away from civilzation in a toyota. And i agree toyota is crazy for still not putting airbags in brand new trucks. I would say airbags and abs would be a minimum and this wouldnt effect its offroad performance or rustic qualities one bit. And im pretty sure you could fit 35s on a 76 with a 2inch lift

[pmturnbull]

the jeep just burns after you have owned it for about the 5 year mark and lets the insurance help pay for a new one. lol (don't you hate trying to sell hammered offroad never gone to the shops 4wds)

[pmturnbull]

I would love a 76 with the 3 litre d4d coil rear end and matching diff widths factory fitted lockers. All for under $50000 and Toyota would still be making a fortune out of it.

[Yom]

for those interested i opted to keep my GQ and i bought a VW Golf GTI instead.

Almost the best of both worlds. But having 2 cars is starting to get a little annoying (i either use one or the other so one is basically wasting money sitting there, in this case its the GQ :() HOpefully this combo holds me out until jeep put the diesel in the rubicon.

[Sim79]

One thing that worries me with Jeeps is the build quality and drive line strenght compared to a Landcruiser 76. Has the Jeep build quality improved ?

[Lushy]

As far as I can see with my Jeep the build and finish is what I want, what the journer say against the Jeep is what I love about them, easy to wash inside and out, great off road from the showroom.
Just got back from the Cape in a Surf and we blow a motor, 2 batteries and a clutch/fly wheel and saw so many in the workshops that made me think.
Wait for a week for parts for a Tojo or a Jeep makes no difference to me!

[Lushy]

For the knockers of Jeep - get of ya Bums and have a bloody look at them, you will be surprised.

[GQMac]

wrangler burst into flames at random.

Apparently the bursting problem only applies to the auto box. Here is a discussion thread in the jeep forum on this issue. Burning JK - AUSJEEPOFFROAD (http://www.ausjeepoffroad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79831)

[GQMac]

HOpefully this combo holds me out until jeep put the diesel in the rubicon.

Tom, this is what you want JK 2008 Wrangler Unlimited CRD Auto modified - AUSJEEPOFFROAD (http://www.ausjeepoffroad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79231)

[grover1968]

Sorry to start thred and not reply for so long. I bought a 4dr Rubicon and it gets about 13 combined and it is just awesome. Towing it gets 15ltr to the 100 which just rocks. I love this 4wd Glad I changed over to Jeep

[Yom]

Tom, this is what you want JK 2008 Wrangler Unlimited CRD Auto modified - AUSJEEPOFFROAD (http://www.ausjeepoffroad.com/forum/showthread.php?t=79231)

I thought it looked bloody good too until i started reading about the issues Jeep are having with the Dana 30 in the front of the JK's and also the issues the diesels are having with general reliability and also the autos catching fire.

I think I'll stick to an essentially factory vehicle. Can't really go wrong with it.

The petrols will still be cheaper to run than the diesels with current and forecast fuel prices too.

Plus that one is black. Never again (top half of patrol is black).

So I'll see what happens in a few more months when I'm ready to give up my ticket to speeding. :p

[Jeeps]

Absolutely awesome. Check this out, JK 4 door rubicon with only a 1.75" body lift and 35's. NO SUSPENSION WORK! Looks perfect:

http://my.project-jk.com/data/508/medium/Picture_0184.jpg
http://my.project-jk.com/data/508/medium/Picture_0165.JPG


cheers

[Sim79]

Absolutely awesome. Check this out, JK 4 door rubicon with only a 1.75" body lift and 35's. NO SUSPENSION WORK! Looks perfect:

cheers

Why would anyone put a cheap and nasty body lift in a new car without lifting the suspension first!

[XJmitch]

ER,maybe to fit bigger tyres under it!!!!!!!!!!!!.

[Lushy]

"Cheap" I dont think so.

[BJR76]

I would just like to say that the jeep rubicon is awesome! I really dont understand why people are so critical of it. I have a 2008 4 door one and I am constantly amazed at where it will go and how easy it goes about it. As for the fuel economy, it is not the best in its class but it is far from woeful! and the performance is quite good even impressive, especially when you wring its neck. It flys for a big fourby. I cant understand what people expect? If you want economy buy a suzuki jimny! if you want something bigger suck it up and buy one, I can almost guarantee you will not be disapointed with a jeep rubicon. sorry for buying into this rubbish but I speak from expierence, I own one!

[grover1968]

you don't have to worry about knockers of the Rubicon because its all crap. Pound for Pound there is nothing that will match it and for that matter they can bearly match a sport model.

[Yom]

my big gripe is their build quality/reliability.

but then again i seem to have this with just about everything except for the old style 4wds with gutless engines. haha

Mind you i could look past it all and sell patrol/golf tomorrow and go to a wrangler if jeep would come to their senses and put a V8 in it or even a diesel rubicon. Either of those 2 would make my day. See, if i want to pay alot of fuel useage I want some real power from it, and if its not going to have alot of power I'd prefer it to use roughly the same amount of fuel constantly (ie: the diesel).

anyway...

[tasar]

my big gripe is their build quality/reliability.



Yom

not sure where you get this from

I run heaps of trips in MJOC and have had 2 cars in 4 years actually brake down where a tow truck has been called - and we flog these cars its all in the prepartion

I've owned jeeps since 2003 my current TJ is very reliable considering the hammering I give it - have had some very small issues but nothing that cannot be fixed easily

the JK's are very well built haven't had to call a tow truck for 1 yet and they are extremely capable off road - had a sport crd unlimited up woods lookout mt gordon mid oct. try that hill with a std car and watch the cranage.
they have there issues but usually this is a mod gone wrong or a known bug as all new models have

Ask the jk owners they love em the crd off road pack is very good and compariable to the rubicon

MJOC have a Muster anzac weekend - come and see them in action and you will be converted

[Yom]

I don't need convincing as to how capable they are. I might be a nissan owner but I'm not ignorant like most of them. ;)

I'm not about to change my mind on the reliability either. Look at what I drive. Any less complex and we'd be looking at a series 1 landrover. :p

[tasar]

so what do you base your reliability on ?

what experience have you had with Wranglers?

[zook85lwb]

Ahhhhhh the rubicon 4 door....one day it shall be mine until then i'll keep putting the lotto tickets in and cross my fingers.;)

[Yom]

so what do you base your reliability on ?

what experience have you had with Wranglers?

the sheer number of people i come across in real life, (not the internet), who say "ah jeep. Never again."

Now Jeep is a pretty low profile brand here in australia. They don't sell anywhere near as many units as the japanese manufacturers. It stands to reason that you could expect more issues from the manufacturers who sell more units. But you don't. There's more chances of having a jeep break down on you than you do a toyota or a nissan. Plain and simple really. Same with a Landrover.

I'm not saying theyre bad vehicles. I'm saying that on the whole they do not have the reliability the japanese have achieved from their vehicles.

[tasar]

the japanese don't make a Jeep wrangler rubicon ...so when they do let me know and i'll consider a Japanese 4wd - I personally think japanese 4wds are underpowered and the appeal of sleeping with a nun big yawn.........

Again your opinion is your experience ...i'm in a jeep club with 300 members and from my experience they are pretty good. if you set your truck up correctly and maintain them well they are great. So take or leave it at that.

[Ajoe]

what about range fellas??

some of you talk about going to the cape etc ....whats the capacity of a rubicon? what do you get to a tank - you spoke about 35s...i reckon you would struggle to get 400km outta tank LOL actually with 35s i bet its more like 350km to a tank!!! and your going to go to the cape with one of them :crazy: i suppose this is why some bag jeep owners ;)

give me a patrol or a cruiser annny day!!! no one has mentioned depreciation on the jeeps...from what ive seen there one of the best at it!!

[boof]

what about range fellas??

some of you talk about going to the cape etc ....whats the capacity of a rubicon? what do you get to a tank - you spoke about 35s...i reckon you would struggle to get 400km outta tank LOL actually with 35s i bet its more like 350km to a tank!!! and your going to go to the cape with one of them :crazy: i suppose this is why some bag jeep owners ;)

give me a patrol or a cruiser annny day!!! no one has mentioned depreciation on the jeeps...from what ive seen there one of the best at it!!


Plenty of ways to get around limited capacity, long range tanks is one secondary tanks housed under trailers is another. I wouldnt be bagging the owner of a vehicle for wanting to actually use it just because a little thing like fuel range may be a hurdle.

Plenty would say they wouldnt trust a 3L Patrol up the cape in case it went bang, and the same has been said before about the weakness of Toyota diffs.

As for depreciation its only a problem when you sell it, if like most who mod and use their 4bs you hang onto them for the money you have spent then its not even worth a mention imo.

While I love the idea of the Rubicon I just was not fussed with the build quality. But I must say its a bit of a laugh bagging one of the most capable 4bs off the showroom floor for its fuel range. Oh who knows maybe itll catch fire, have hairdressers flocking to your car or one of the many other ridiculous myths out there.;)

[Ajoe]

so why wasnt the wifes daily driver a rubicon?

[boof]

Simply I wasnt impressed enough with the fit and finish and also a lot of other little items. Plus she preferred the Prado :D

[Ajoe]

hahahaha i know what you mean!! i did too look at them...

point i was getting to earlier was...that this is meant to be an offroad warrior...but doesnt come with a suitable size tank to do any serious long distance work. anything can be modified to suit ;) you know that better than most of us :p

[BLU-125]

Ajoe, my old Wrangler does exactly what I want it to do. When I want to do something that is dependent on fuel consumption I will rethink its suitability. Few Cruisers or Patrols modified in a similar way to mine will go where it goes. (Sometime small is good.) ;)

Next year, a couple of friends and I plan a trip from Byron to Steep Point...........but we'll be doing it in a CJ5, Series 1 Land Rover and my G60 Patrol. Not because they are suitable vehicles, more because it seems like fun.......;)

My point is, drive what you LIKE, not what seems sensible.

[odelay]

what about range fellas??

some of you talk about going to the cape etc ....whats the capacity of a rubicon? what do you get to a tank - you spoke about 35s...i reckon you would struggle to get 400km outta tank LOL actually with 35s i bet its more like 350km to a tank!!! and your going to go to the cape with one of them :crazy: i suppose this is why some bag jeep owners ;)

give me a patrol or a cruiser annny day!!! no one has mentioned depreciation on the jeeps...from what ive seen there one of the best at it!!

Best at depreciation eh?
Below are taken from Redbook, taking the first model that appears when you search for 2000 Wrangler, Landcruiser and Patrol.
Carsguide and carsales give similar results.
Privately sold the Wrangler is worth a round 30% of the new price.
Privately sold the Patrol is worth around 25% of the new price.
Privately sold the Landcruiser is worth around 20% of the new price.

So the Wrangler is the best at HOLDING VALUE!!!



2000 Wrangler Sport Manual
* Private Price Guide$8,900 - $10,600 * Trade In Price Guide$6,400 - $8,100 * Average Km160,000 - 240,000 * Price When New (RRP)$30,950

2000 Toyota FZJ105R Landcruiser RV
* Private Price Guide$12,700 - $14,800 * Trade In Price Guide$9,800 - $11,900 * Average Km120,000 - 200,000 * Price When New (RRP)$50,030
2000 Nissan GU Patrol ST
* Private Price Guide$11,600 - $13,700 * Trade In Price Guide$8,800 - $10,900 * Average Km120,000 - 200,000 * Price When New (RRP)$46,990

[Yom]

the japanese don't make a Jeep wrangler rubicon ...so when they do let me know and i'll consider a Japanese 4wd - I personally think japanese 4wds are underpowered and the appeal of sleeping with a nun big yawn.........

Again your opinion is your experience ...i'm in a jeep club with 300 members and from my experience they are pretty good. if you set your truck up correctly and maintain them well they are great. So take or leave it at that.

Mind you, I daily drive a Mk5 VW Golf with DSG. Not exactly known for their reliability. Infact I'm having woes with the gearbox right now.

I drive it because i test drove one and absolutely loved it.:D

[tasar]

what about range fellas??

some of you talk about going to the cape etc ....whats the capacity of a rubicon? what do you get to a tank - you spoke about 35s...i reckon you would struggle to get 400km outta tank LOL actually with 35s i bet its more like 350km to a tank!!! and your going to go to the cape with one of them :crazy: i suppose this is why some bag jeep owners ;)

give me a patrol or a cruiser annny day!!! no one has mentioned depreciation on the jeeps...from what ive seen there one of the best at it!!

So AJoe

you have to spend $1500 on a long range tank, a couple of grand on winch and bar and maybe some air bags and snorkel and guess what for about $55k you get what a japanese car needs to have

tyres
bullbar
suspension lift
airbags
winch
electronic disconnects
lockers
ratios
snorkel
new diffs to match the diffs in the rubi

and the cars about $80k so not much change out of $120-130k from what I can see

So guess what I'd do - buy one for me and 1 for my wife damn we might struggle as we would need an extra radio may take the price over what you would spend on 1 truck

so good luck

[Ajoe]

Best at depreciation eh?
Below are taken from Redbook, taking the first model that appears when you search for 2000 Wrangler, Landcruiser and Patrol.
Carsguide and carsales give similar results.
Privately sold the Wrangler is worth a round 30% of the new price.
Privately sold the Patrol is worth around 25% of the new price.
Privately sold the Landcruiser is worth around 20% of the new price.

So the Wrangler is the best at HOLDING VALUE!!!



2000 Wrangler Sport Manual
* Private Price Guide$8,900 - $10,600 * Trade In Price Guide$6,400 - $8,100 * Average Km160,000 - 240,000 * Price When New (RRP)$30,950

2000 Toyota FZJ105R Landcruiser RV
* Private Price Guide$12,700 - $14,800 * Trade In Price Guide$9,800 - $11,900 * Average Km120,000 - 200,000 * Price When New (RRP)$50,030
2000 Nissan GU Patrol ST
* Private Price Guide$11,600 - $13,700 * Trade In Price Guide$8,800 - $10,900 * Average Km120,000 - 200,000 * Price When New (RRP)$46,990

if only that were true!! show me where u can get a 2000 100 series cruiser for $12k...even $14k!! I'll buy a few of them if u can find em for me! Thats what you pay for an 80 series...and an ordinary one at that!!

[odelay]

Yes, you are right checking carsguide both the wrangler and landcruiser seem to sell for more, in reality having a quick look at carsguide, landcruisers go for about half of the new price and the wranglers go for a bit over half the new price.
But it still remains that your comment on depreciation is unfounded.
Landcruisers and Patrols are common, theyre bought by every second soccer mum so if there's heaps out there of course they will take more of a beating on price.

[Yom]

Want to talk depreciation?

GO and have a walk through any jeep dealer in brisbane.

Not a soul to be found.

I was basically begged today to buy a demonstrator hardtop rubicon 2dr for $34,000 drive away. 3000km.


I then spent 20 minutes pointing out a heap of build flaws, paint cracking, rust occuring, pipes rubbing, etc etc. I lol'ed

[ShortStuff]

You must have a good eye, picky picky:)
but backing what you just said about Jeep dealerships being void of people. I had mine in for a brake recall job and while i waited had a look around, there was NO One in new car sales at all! I made the mistake of opening the door of a Commander to have a look and got surrounded by sales men lol.

That said i think all dealerships are hurting right now in all brands.

[Yom]

yes, i am very critical.

One thing i noticed is that the build quality varies hugely. They're not predictable at all like the toyotas and nissans.

its pretty clear they're mass assembled by humans.

[odelay]

You must have a good eye, picky picky:)
but backing what you just said about Jeep dealerships being void of people. I had mine in for a brake recall job and while i waited had a look around, there was NO One in new car sales at all! I made the mistake of opening the door of a Commander to have a look and got surrounded by sales men lol.

That said i think all dealerships are hurting right now in all brands.

One of the near by Holden dealers is shutting up shop and when I was getting my Wrangler serviced the other day at Napean I noticed the same as you.
This dealer has Nissan, Volkswagen, Mitsubishi and Chrysler/Jeep and others, all the sales people had hands in pockets. Since the two big auto financers pulled out of Australia recently they have been finding it very difficult.

Tough times ahead.

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did you see on 'a current affair' tonight (Mon 1st Dec) a Holden dealership liquidating New Cars at the Auctions because they cant sell em. Apparently this hasnt happened before and the report said there will be more Auctions after xmas when (as you say) Financiers pull out! Good if your cashed up and can get to the Auctions, Bad for Holden which in turn will be bad for Australia in the long run.

I didnt see all the report on Channel 9 if any one saw it can you tell me what the name of the Auctioneers is???

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Pickles, I believe.

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thanks for that BLU-125, i found out last night and went to those Auctions today, it was at Pickles in Sunshine VIC.
Cars were not going that cheap, there were a heap of people driving up the prices, but the 4x4 Colorado's (Holdens replacement for the Rodeo) went from 11,000-14,000 Less than New, and these were Brand New Cars!