3" IFS lift 06 lux

[hiluxdan]

Just had what was supposed to be a 2" lift to my 06 hilux done and turded out to be 3".
Not that i mind the height it looks tuff as. But, now i'm getting a vibration through the truck at about 5 - 15KM/H. Bilstien shocks/King springs.
Suspension guy doesn't know what it is or how to fix it. Talking to another mechanic (ARB) he said check with the guy who did the wheel alignment cos he reckons you can't do a wheel alignment on the lux past 50mm lift. But heaps are lifted that high, aren't they.
Any advice?
Also any trouble with the cv's with this set up.
Thanks
Dan

[TUFF IFS LUX]

Dan,
I too had a 3" suspension lift fitted to my 07 hilux. You can check out the buil-up with some current pics here-

http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/f27/tuff-ifs-luxs-d4d-hilux-offroading-pics-added-36064/index11.html#post559317

Now, Im assuming by what you've said that you have installed 3" front struts? am I correct?

I too have 3" front struts and the deal about the alignment not being able to get done with a lift over 2" is absolute "ka ka", its just that you need to find someone who knows what their doing in regards to wheel alignments and lifted new model hilux's.

Where's your location? If your in Melbourne I can help you out.

My front was lifted just over 3" but once I fitted the ARB bar it dropped it to just under 3", and am running 285's.

The problem I beleive that you have encountered is that the castor has not been adjusted correctly, causing you wobbles at speed.

Do you still have your sheet from the wheel alignment? If you do, PM me your email address and I'll endeavour to write out for you my wheel alignment on my truck with the lift and you can compare where the differences are.

My neighbour has a new SR5 with a 5" front lift - thats right, 4 inch front struts and an inch spacer on top, and he and the wheel alignment bloke that did mine worked out a perfect set up for him too. The castor is adjustable more than standard and if need be you can use shims to move it a tad more forward if necessary.

PM me for more info if needed.

Hope that helped.

[9W6VX]

hiluxdan,

I'm curious as to how you got 3" of suspension lift using Bilstein shocks and Kings springs.

Are you using the following part numbers:

Front - KTFR-101 coil springs. There 's a HD version (KTFR-101HD) if you carry a bullbar.
- Bilstein BE5-D563

Rear - Bilstein BE5-D564
what leaf springs are you using?

Thanks

[hiluxdan]

Thanks Tuff,
Been checkin out your build up last week, was hoping you could help. On the Gold Coast though.
Will PM you my align details tonight but am mechanically challenged so none of it makes sense(castor?). Ignorance yes, but I can only go off what the "experts in their field" tell me.
Vibration is at slow speed only so thats what we're finding confusing.

9W6VX, see I was booked in for raw 4x4 allround but he was sent the front ones with the wrong spring seat height but said he had the billies in stock so just fitted those instead (found out when I picked it up).
So a bit of a mixed bag Bil/King front and Raw/EFS rear.
Part no for king spring is KTFR101HD and bilstein shock is CS324Y.
Did a measure right round prior to suspension work and gained 76mm at the front wheels.
He was saying something about raw4x4 shockies for a prado with a new spring seat groove cut in it, but didn't get these anyway.
Rear only actually came up about 20mm in the end so I'll see what he can do about that, but the truck was pretty low in the front even before the bar work so it was really nose down when barred up.
Just wanna make sure nothing stuffs up in my truck and I hate being told/sold stuff by people taking advantage of my mechanical ignorance.
Thanks

[boof]

Mate if you are on the coast ring Ryano at Fourbys in Brisbane, it will mean a 45min drive but it will be worth it as he will sort it for you

[A1 Mech]

yes I second that about Ryano (Fourbys), Take it to him to hav the wheel alignment sussed out and he will sort it if that is indeed the problem. Ur standard crappy front coils wud hav been sagged most likely so the 50mm kings wud hav compensated for this plus 50mm. bugger that they didnt use king spring leafs in the rear also to keep the kit together. Does the car ride nose up by chance? Cheers

Fourbys - Australia's 4WD Tyre Superstore (http://www.fourbys.com.au/)

[TUFF IFS LUX]

be careful with raising the rear too much as the new luxies have a definite nose down attitude from stock anyway.

Why I say this is the rear brake proportioning valve brake hose doesnt have that much give in it when the rear diff is fully hung down, like when the vehicles on a 2 post hoist or you happen to get her airborne.

The momentum of the rear diff coming down in this situation will rip that brake hose out of its housing/connection.

Just something to keep in mind and watch. I think Im going to chase up a longer hose for mine. I had a look and modifying the mount looks abit too "dicky".

Oh, and I third that about Ryano, he even gave me some tips on the phone when I was having issues.

[krusty1]

yep i third that.take the drive to fourbys for instant sorting.

[9W6VX]

hiluxdan,

Kings coil spring KTFR101HD will lift it higher but according to Kings they do not recommend the HD version unless you have a winch or bullbar up front as the front dampers might top out.

The Bilstein part numbers don't look right. According to the info I got from Bilstein Australia, the specific part numbers for our Hilux are as quoted above. The earlier part numbers were BE5-A712 and B46-1036LT but Bilstein now recommends the part numbers I gave earlier.

I'm not trying to spoil your party mate but just thought that you would like to know the actual part numbers and information which I gathered.

I'm a regular at newhilux.net. Check out the forum there and you'll get more information.

Regards

[hiluxdan]

Thanks for the advice fellas.
The lux still rides slightly nose down, almost can't tell without the tape measure.
Steel arb winch bar is fitted, hold the winch. Checkin out tuff's pic's raised another question, that steel bar of yours fits like a glove, mine has got a 25ish mm gap to the flares and headlights. I thought it looked odd but figured they knew what they were doin, be going back to get it checked out.
Something I left out before, had an arb rear air locker fitted just before the suspension got done and when I spoke to arb 'bouy the vibes they pretty much put it down to the suspension. Dunno if this is right or just passing the buck.
Anyone know if this could be the cause of my woes?
Vibes not in steering just felt through car in general.
Maybe this info would've helped earlier?
Eitherway the truck still rocks offroad, went to cityview on saturday, was a bit tense at one point coming down jeepers descent, gets the blood pumpin'.
Thanks again, think I'll be checkin' in Ryano

[A1 Mech]

I don't think it wud have anything to do with the rear diff assembly, if it is a general vibration at low speed but not coming from the steering then it maybe the new greater angle on ur tailshaft has upset a unijoint or centre bearing??? Then again at 15km/hr ur tailshaft wud be doing bugger all revolutions and tailshaft vibrations tend to appear at highway speeds. Does the vibration feel as tho it is coming from the engine bay at all?? I'd defently get ryano to do a wheel alignment then if its still present start trouble shooting. Cheers

[9W6VX]

You've got ARB bull bar. That would make the KTFR101HD perfect for you.

Thanks for the info that even with a steel bar, the KTFR101HD gives a 3" front lift.

[hiluxdan]

Hey fellas,
Yet to get down to fourby's but a Q for 9W6VX, would you by any chance know what the shocky part no I gave for the billies suits?

[GreenHilux Guy]

I just put on a 3" Skyjacker kit for my 06 hilux at fourby's but made the mistake of ordering aftermarket coils to suit. Turns out when i drove away i was looking at more than 100 mm of lift. Easily more then 4 inches at the moment. I am waiting for a winch and second battery next week and then will get the coild taken down to suit. It looks awesome on 265/70/17 STT's but the drive is very average. Everything underneath is maxed out to the gills.

[A1 Mech]

I no the feeling, watch ur CV boots dont wear out. If ther angles are really crazy the folds of the boots rub together while driving causing them to rub thru quickly. Ur hilux wud be an auto engaging 4x4 also wudnt it? so all that gear is spinning even in 2WD. Are the diffs able to be dropped on the new hiluxs? How do ther diffs mount up, are they hung with 2 vertical mounts and 1 front horizontal pin mount like the older IFS setup?

[9W6VX]

hiluxdan,

Sorry but I have no idea what applications the Bilstein part numbers you are using.

[TUFF IFS LUX]

just to let you guys with new lifted luxie's know that me neighbour that done my suspension has organised and is currently being manufactured, custom mad CV/Driveshaft boots for the new hilux that as he says are "heaps thicker and stronger" and the ribbing on the boot itself is further spaced apart to avoid touching so often and he reckons that the materials used, even if the ribs do end up rubbing from big angles they wont wear out at all.

He used a set of cv boots he pulled off his business partners hilux as a template.

He's also getting em made up for IRS commodore rears coz supposedly theres a problem with them sometimes.

So I think when finances catchup with my plans, I'll be going up another inch or so with these new boots.

Will keep ya all updated with info as it arises.

[Doug67]

just to let you guys with new lifted luxie's know that me neighbour that done my suspension has organised and is currently being manufactured, custom mad CV/Driveshaft boots for the new hilux that as he says are "heaps thicker and stronger" and the ribbing on the boot itself is further spaced apart to avoid touching so often and he reckons that the materials used, even if the ribs do end up rubbing from big angles they wont wear out at all.

He used a set of cv boots he pulled off his business partners hilux as a template.

He's also getting em made up for IRS commodore rears coz supposedly theres a problem with them sometimes.

So I think when finances catchup with my plans, I'll be going up another inch or so with these new boots.

Will keep ya all updated with info as it arises.

You should post this on newhilux forum, I'll buy a couple as I have a tiny hole in the passengers side inner boot. pm me his details on newhilux site

[Doug67]

9W6VX
T get the three inch lift with the Bilstein shocks extra groove need to be machine int the shock. when Climax suspension ordered mine he had them done by bilstein, then I raised another time and he had them done by a machine shop.

[TUFF IFS LUX]

or you could put a coil spacer on top!!!!

doug, I just posted the above in "our" forum ;)

[Doug67]

or you could put a coil spacer on top!!!!

doug, I just posted the above in "our" forum ;)

I must off missed it I was missing off the forumfor a few weeks, I thought I had court up but must missed that one can you give me the link please.

[Doug67]

or you could put a coil spacer on top!!!!

doug, I just posted the above in "our" forum ;)

Yes "our" Forum

[Doug67]

Thank's mmaaxx

[GreenHilux Guy]

Doug67, how can I get onto the newhilux site? Every time I register even without a yahoo address I never get the follow up email. I have had my Skyjacker (+50 mm Dobinson coils) for more than a week now and after fitting winch and dual battery, + a much needed steering allignment, the truck runs like a champ. Boots are still rubbing a bit but no more binding or vibrations. I have the longer coils set on highest mark and now that its settled its still about 75 mm over standard and the ride is excellent. Fitting a taipan exhaust today and then will post pics.

I drove the taipan company car with diesal/lpg/chip/new air water intercooler and have to say It made my truck look like a tractor. It has more than 470 foot of torque and the fastest truck Ive ever been in. Will be adding lpg when lift is paid off.

[hiluxdan]

Just had what was supposed to be a 2" lift to my 06 hilux done and turded out to be 3".
Not that i mind the height it looks tuff as. But, now i'm getting a vibration through the truck at about 5 - 15KM/H. Bilstien shocks/King springs.
Suspension guy doesn't know what it is or how to fix it. Talking to another mechanic (ARB) he said check with the guy who did the wheel alignment cos he reckons you can't do a wheel alignment on the lux past 50mm lift. But heaps are lifted that high, aren't they.
Any advice?
Also any trouble with the cv's with this set up.
Thanks
Dan

Right,
after 4 weeks and about 7 visits later i've got it at a good height 3" all round(cv's still look a bit sharp/rear brakeline ok).
Still haven't seen ryano yet cos I'm tryin' to get this guy to fix his own work first. Anyway since he lifted the rear another 2" the vibration got worse(from 0 - 60km then it's smooth sailing), so he reckons its the angle of the tailshaft. Now this I understand, but, then he said he'd order some wedges to fit between the rear springs and axle to tilt the rear axle slightly to correct the angle with the tail shaft.
Is this the right way to fix it?????????????

[TUFF IFS LUX]

yeah should be ok. the rear brake line would be ok when your driving on the street, but just try flexing the left hand rear down and right hand rear up and see how much give you got on that brake line?

How high is your rear now?

Im about to put another 1 inch block in the rear and am getting a brake line made up thats longer than the standard one coz it need replacing.

[hiluxdan]

About 3" in the rear now. Before these last springs went in, I checked it out on the hoist and the brakeline was at about max stretch. I asked the guy if the extra lift would change this and he reckons that the shocks limit the wheel travel so the rear wheels won't drop any further(hope not). Will check it out tomorrow, got a very convenient pile of dirt next door!

[hiluxdan]

Got the rear passenger side at full drop (hanging) and still a bit of slack in the brake line. All good.
These wedges is there a technical term for them?????