Max Wheel and tyre sizes for ML triton

[Milz]

Evening all,

I have been browsing the NSW RTA site but to be honest it's all just jibberish to me, I'm wanting to get an idea as to the "legal Limits/requirements" re: wheel and tyre size???
Any ML owners know what the max is according to Mitsubishi??

Cheers in advance

[tritor]

mitsubishi max size is whats on there

max legal size is 31" (2" larger radius) as theyre currently 29".. most guys are running 32s.. 265/75/r16

Evening all,

I have been browsing the NSW RTA site but to be honest it's all just jibberish to me, I'm wanting to get an idea as to the "legal Limits/requirements" re: wheel and tyre size???
Any ML owners know what the max is according to Mitsubishi??

Cheers in advance

[High Country]

Baffles me, as to why the ML Triton, is on smaller std tyres than what my 04 turbo GLS had on it stock. Seriously, the Dueller HT's are just a joke - howl / squeal / understeer when pushed into corners, & are useless offroad in anything thats not sand really. Mine were only on my 04, till Cooper's turned up for it.

Cheers.

[joshinthecity]

My Cooper STc's went on THE DAY I picked the car up. After trying to wear the duellers out on my GU before replacing them, I learnt my lesson.
j.

[tritor]

hahahaha

My Cooper STc's went on THE DAY I picked the car up. After trying to wear the duellers out on my GU before replacing them, I learnt my lesson.
j.

[dultim8]

Im running 275x70x16 Muds on mine.
I had a bit of trouble finding rims to fit it as i wanted to get a set purely for off road use. I could not get any steel rims to fit unless I used a spacer.
I ended up buying a 2nd hand set of Prado alloys.
They are fine.
Not sure how legal but they work great.

[subi_man]

My Cooper STc's went on THE DAY I picked the car up. After trying to wear the duellers out on my GU before replacing them, I learnt my lesson.
j.
What size are your Coopers, Josh?

Cheers

[High Country]

HI Subi - put Coopers on mine too, BEFORE it left the showroom - 265/75R16 STTs - looks goooooooooooood!!!

Cheers.

[subi_man]

ta mate :D

[tritor]

well he orginally askled what was legal and what does mitsi allow

i actually have 305/70/r16 or 33x12.5 in the old language

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j159/delcarlo/P7140067.jpg

ta mate :D

[Austblue]

Just to confirm something Tritor, those fitted fine at the standard height right?

[tritor]

yup.. all i did to get em to fit before the lift was trim the front mudflaps (cut the top inside corner off them about 2"x2", the bit that sticks out.. gave enough clearance,., didnt need to cut the wheel liner behind it

did just scrape it off road when the wheel was truned to the right angle (about 3/4 of a turn).. but not enough to do any damage


Just to confirm something Tritor, those fitted fine at the standard height right?

[Austblue]

Cheers mate when I'm ready I'll decide might go for it with a lift and 35s but its good to know that I'll at least get 33 w/o lifting it.

[tritor]

i dun wanna do a body lift.. so im waiting.. 4" kit out in about 12 months from US supplier so a lil birdy tells me.. (maquarie 4x4) 35s wont fit with a 2" lift.. i know.. i now have one.. haha.. i mean you could if ya bash up your a-pillar to get extra clearance and ute well.. 33s touch at full articulation

Cheers mate when I'm ready I'll decide might go for it with a lift and 35s but its good to know that I'll at least get 33 w/o lifting it.

[Austblue]

Can I ask why you're avoiding the body lift?

Also you have me a tad confused, you said the 33s touch at full articulation is that at stock height or on 2" lift?

[tritor]

full articulation isnt changed with a 2" lift.. wheel just tavels up more before stopping on bump stop, and down less

i dont want to modify my bull bar and make it illegal with a body lift.. as it is currently certified air bag compatible,


Can I ask why you're avoiding the body lift?

Also you have me a tad confused, you said the 33s touch at full articulation is that at stock height or on 2" lift?

[higgo72]

I got my local dealer to send my flexiglass canopy back and fit the ARB one I originally asked for with the smooth finish. Iam also thinking
of going straight down to get some 265/75/R16 fitted.:drink: the local tyre place said they would give me $100 each for the rubbish thats on there is this reasonable ? cool silver VR T/D D/L ARB winch bar ARB canopy tow bar tinted windows any maybe the tyres I mentioned.
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[BMS]

265/75/16's are what I have on ours and I'm more than happy with
them.

bms

[higgo72]

265/75/16's are what I have on ours and I'm more than happy with
them.

bms
BMS just want to confirm your suspension is still standard I have a bit of an information overload ? no probs with those size tyres ? 265/75/16 scraping etc.

[Austblue]

higgo, If you notice I asked tritor about 33s and they were fine at standard height so one could figure that the 32s would be fine also.

[higgo72]

higgo, If you notice I asked tritor about 33s and they were fine at standard height so one could figure that the 32s would be fine also.
Thanks for that Austblue

[subi_man]

I'm about to fit 265/75/16 Goodyear SilentArmor's - of course I should have done it the day it rolled off the floor, but I'm a slow learner :o

Cheers!

[higgo72]

I'm about to fit 265/75/16 Goodyear SilentArmor's - of course I should have done it the day it rolled off the floor, but I'm a slow learner :o

Cheers!

Subi, Ive been researching tyres while I am waiting to get my ML and the silent armours seem to get a bum rap they rate last on the 4WD monthly tyre test. I am tending to lean towards the BF goody A/T's the pricing I've done they are only $10 dearer per tyre then the silent armours.What are your thoughts?

[higgo72]

Originally Posted by higgo72 http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/f7/wrangler-mtrs-37841/index2.html#post536244)
Hi all Iam thinking of buying some wrangler silent armours 265/75/16 if any bodys got some experience with these tyres it would be much appreciated.

Thanks Higgo

I wouldnt piss on these tyres. They are dangerous. They have a very stiff side wall and a hard tread. Very dangerous on a wet road, and due to their weight, very hard to balance.
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[Austblue]

That post confused me let me see if I can clean it up.

From this thread
http://www.4wdmonthly.com.au/forum/f7/wrangler-mtrs-37841/index2.html#post536244


Hi all Iam thinking of buying some wrangler silent armours 265/75/16 if any bodys got some experience with these tyres it would be much appreciated.

Thanks Higgo


I wouldnt piss on these tyres. They are dangerous. They have a very stiff side wall and a hard tread. Very dangerous on a wet road, and due to their weight, very hard to balance.

[subi_man]

hmmm those comments aren't so good!! :confused:

I might revise and re-research this, higgo!!!

[higgo72]

Subi, The whole tyre debate is a personal thing, I talked to one of our local tyre reps and he runs the silent armour on his vehicle and swears by them, and you have to think he would be up to speed on this matter.I know another guy who runs a F250 up the Strezleki track all the time.When he took delivery of the vehicle the first thing he did was put silent armours on it ? as he had them on his previous vehicle. I guess I am favouring the BF Goody's because I know plenty of people that use them and say they are a good allround tyre,I guess time will tell.

[subi_man]

Yep, the BFG's are a popular tyre no doubt about it :thumb:

I've always had a satisfactory run from Cooper Discoverer S/T's on my old Holden Rodeo, but thought I'd try something different on the Triton... hmmmm :confused:

PS: what issue was the 4WD Monthly tyre test? I might have to hassle my mate Vineboy for a copy :D

[higgo72]

Yep, the BFG's are a popular tyre no doubt about it :thumb:

I've always had a satisfactory run from Cooper Discoverer S/T's on my old Holden Rodeo, but thought I'd try something different on the Triton... hmmmm :confused:

PS: what issue was the 4WD Monthly tyre test? I might have to hassle my mate Vineboy for a copy :D

Its on this forum go to reviews/tips at the top of the page

[subi_man]

ahhhh right under my nose :o thanks higgo

[dale robinson]

I have 275/75/16 good year wrangler A/T on mine they are good my Triton is all ways off road but that is what you get for living in weipa.When I got my ute the tyre shop in Mareeba give me $170.00 trade in for the old tyres so got the good years for $105. each happy happy.:waycool:

[Strada]

Hi guys, new here, going to get a VR DID when I sell my Diesel NM Pajero. Wondering how the guys with the larger tyres (say 265/75R16 or larger) find them. Ive driven the GLXR DID for a few thousand kms and found that it was geared very tall compared with my Pajero. Do the larger tyres affect drivability, towing performance or fuel economy?
I found I used 4th gear a lot in the GLXR I was driviing. Bigger tyres would gear it even taller! If it doesnt make much difference I could always keep the BFG 235/8516's of the Paj.

[FreestyleCab]

Hi guys, new here, going to get a VR DID when I sell my Diesel NM Pajero. Wondering how the guys with the larger tyres (say 265/75R16 or larger) find them. Ive driven the GLXR DID for a few thousand kms and found that it was geared very tall compared with my Pajero. Do the larger tyres affect drivability, towing performance or fuel economy?
I found I used 4th gear a lot in the GLXR I was driviing. Bigger tyres would gear it even taller! If it doesnt make much difference I could always keep the BFG 235/8516's of the Paj.

I had my VR DiD for about a 10 days before I had 265/75 Cooper STT 10 ply tyres fitted. Fitting larger tyres did take some of the sting out of the performance. My drive to work includes one 7km long winding up hill climb one 2km long steep winding uphill climb. I would say it took 'half a gear' off the performance, ie. what was a relaxed 4th gear climb now labours the motor in 4th and is a bit too revvy in 3rd gear.

The Triton is much like the Hilux, it looks a bit undertyred with the standard size tyres. Going to 265/70 is a slight improvement in looks, without effecting the gearing too much. BUT to really look the part, 265/75 is it!
Fitted to the factory alloys, they do not rub and make the ute look soooooo much better.

I can live with the gearing, though low range is a bit too high now when descending hills, but the extra ~35mm clearance these tyres give you under the diff and bash plates is a bonus.

I have yet to do a test with a GPS to see how much the speedo is effected.

The fuel economy is effected, I say it added a litre or two per 100km on the trip computer. Though the change in gearing has probably effected the results reported by the trip computer due to the fact that you are now actually travelling a longer distance than the odometer reports.

Going to an 8 or 10 ply light truck tyre also effects the ride comfort considerably. With my 10ply STT's the comfort level it the ute is now comparable to the heavy duty 'constant load' OME suspension I had in my previous ute. It it quite firm and there is a bit more 'bump steer' going over potholes.

[High Country]

Hi Brett - looks like you took on board what I said............ :) You'll gain back the 'half gear', once its run in a bit - mines got over 5000km on it now, & goes really well - on the same size STTs as you, since day one. And yep - I'm finding fuel economy not toooo flash........ :( Keen to hear how far out the speedo is. If you travel @ 100kph on speedo, then hit the reset button on the trip computer, I find it reads about 6 kph slower than the speedo, which seems strange. Most of the time, mines doing around 13-14 litres/100km, which means fuel light is on by 550km. And thats open road driving.......!!
But - it does go well!! And I still don't like the front seats!!

Cheers.

[Urshtnme]

Anyone got photos of some coopers (or any others) 265/75/r16's on a Triton?

[BMS]

Anyone got photos of some coopers (or any others) 265/75/r16's on a Triton?

Here you go mate.

bms

[Urshtnme]

Here you go mate.

bms


Cheers BMS, much appreciated!

[higgo72]

Hi Brett - looks like you took on board what I said............ :) You'll gain back the 'half gear', once its run in a bit - mines got over 5000km on it now, & goes really well - on the same size STTs as you, since day one. And yep - I'm finding fuel economy not toooo flash........ :( Keen to hear how far out the speedo is. If you travel @ 100kph on speedo, then hit the reset button on the trip computer, I find it reads about 6 kph slower than the speedo, which seems strange. Most of the time, mines doing around 13-14 litres/100km, which means fuel light is on by 550km. And thats open road driving.......!!
But - it does go well!! And I still don't like the front seats!!

Cheers.
High country those fuel consumption figures are a bit of a concern the rest of you guys running 265/75/16 are you getting about the same ? I want to put this size tyre on my ML when I get it. But now I am not so sure ????

[High Country]

High country those fuel consumption figures are a bit of a concern the rest of you guys running 265/75/16 are you getting about the same ? I want to put this size tyre on my ML when I get it. But now I am not so sure ????

I know - I'm not exactly thrilled about it myself, which is why I want to find out how far out the speedo / trip meter is....
I keep getting told it'll get better when its done a few more kms......

However, I gotta put it in perspective a bit with the following too;

I don't drive it for 'economy'.........

Its carrying a fair bit of extra weight around, all the time.........(I'm going to try to stick it over a weight-bridge this week, to see how much it does weight now.)

Its currently returning the same fuel figures my 04 Turbo 2.8 Triton did, with more power now.........

Landcruiser 80 series 4.2T, I had was harder on fuel than this is.

Still also have a 99 Hilux with 5L motor, which is using more fuel than my Triton doing the same running. This is a seriously SLOW vehicle!!!!!

Overall, as a package, I'm rapt with my Triton, goes very well!! :)

Cheers.

[subi_man]

HC & Freestyle, are those consumption figures purely from the trip computer, or fills at the bowser?

Cheers

[Urshtnme]

After many discussions with a few guys and lots of reading, I'm going to give the Cooper ST 265/75/R16's a shot.

[BMS]

HC & Freestyle, are those consumption figures purely from the trip computer, or fills at the bowser?

Cheers

DON"T trust the trip computer read out as mine has never been accurate
even with the original wheels (up to 1 ltr per 100 km out) so is even worse
now with the 265's.
We drive it pretty carefully and it's returning anywhere from 8.8 to 9.8 lt/100
km on road.
Read out says o km's left and when you fill up there's 20 ltr's still in the tank
and mits reckons its only meant to be an indicator lol.

bms

[High Country]

HC & Freestyle, are those consumption figures purely from the trip computer, or fills at the bowser?

Cheers

Last check was fill at the pump - worked out at just under 20mpg.......... Had a small trailer on with a quad on board, for about 150km of that - was all mostly open road running..............

Cheers.

[subi_man]

Had some 265/75/16 Wrangler Silent Armor's fitted today. Like others have found, my speedo now matches exactly to the GPS :thumb:

My odometer is now reading approx 5-6% too low, which is no biggie - if it registers 500km, I'll have actually travelled 525 or so. The trip computer will be even more inaccurate now as well, but I'll get my head around all of that eventually!

Haven't had much of a drive on the Wranglers yet, but so far I have noticed them a little noisier on the road, and also a bit squirmy under hard braking. Traction is sooo much better than the stockers though as I would have bloody well expected :)

The ute looks so much better with the bigger tyres, and the extra 20mm or so of ground clearance is an added bonus. It doesn't seem any less powerful off the mark, but I would expect to notice a difference on hills or with the boat on the back.

Cheers!
Andrew
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v472/holmesie/Triton/goodyearSAs2.jpg
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[Strada]

So it seems general concensus is that large size tyres look good, add clearance offroad but do effect fuel economy and drivability onroad and offroad engine braking. How are you guys getting on with your insurance. I believe 15mm larger diametre is all thats allowed technically , but some guide line (in draft form) says 50mm larger is ok on offroad vehicles. A 265/75R16 is about 54mm larger than the stock 245/70R16,so the draft document is even exceeded. Are you just crossing your fingers??
My insurance policy (dedicated on/offroad) says changing tyre size is ok, BUT clarified this with "as long as its legal".

[subi_man]

I rang my insurer to inform them of the tyre change, and they were to get back to me if they had a problem with the size - heard nothing yet, but I will ask for formal acceptance from them methinks.

My Wranglers have a higher load rating but a lower speed rating (R - 170km/hr) than the stock tyres (S -180km/hr), and I had to put a small orange RTA sticker on the windscreen as a warning to other drivers "warning - this vehicle is fitted with tyres of a lower speed rating than that specified on the tyre placard" - in NSW the RTA will allow this lower speed rating, but will NOT accept tyres of a lower LOAD rating than that specified.

Regarding the 265/75 size it looks like in NSW they should be certified by an engineer, and then the RTA records adjusted - but the rules aren't exactly clear for 4WD's :confused:

Cheers

[Magilla]

Mmmm, nothing is ever simple. Might look at some Maxxis Buckshot or similar they come in 255/75, could scrape to these size restrictions then.
Damn you insurance companies and warranty peoples !

[Clay]

Hi all I m running 265/75/16 Micky Thompson MTZ on 16x8 Classic locks and have no problems on my ML Triton and get no rubbing

[higgo72]

I spoke to my insurer in SA, and tyre size isn't an issue but I can't go any wider than 7" with my rims wich restricts tyre size any way but I can
get away with 265/75/16.
Still keen to hear about you fella's with 265/75/16 what your fuel figures are ?

[subi_man]

I've only done an indicated 206km since I filled after the tyres were fitted - I estimated odometer is out by 6% so that's really 218km. It took 28litres.

Calculates to be approx 12.8l/100km (the trip computer said 13.7l/100km). However about 120km of that was punting about the farm, 35km at 100 on the main road, and about 50km at <faster than allowed speed> as I was running late for a meeting last night :( So that's probably no worse than I would have normally got. Will try some normal highway driving on the weekend and report here also.

Cheers!

[Bammo]

Has anyone got any direct experience with both the Cooper ST's and the BFG AT's in 265/75/R16? I previously ran the BFG's on my Rangie with reasonable success but have no experience with Cooper.

On the surface, the two tyres appear very similar so is it just a question of brand choice for the ML?

My Courier has Bridgestone Dueller A/T 694's which were a huge improvement over the Road Grippers in the wet when the ute was unloaded but they were pretty average in the bush and looked pretty sad and sorry after only 15,000ks.

Interestingly, the O/D of the three tyre models are quite different:

Coopers: 807mm OD
Duellers: 808mm OD
Bridgestone 694's 775mm OD

This would seem to suggest the Bridgestone's would make the ute nearly half an inch shorter than the other two?

[Urshtnme]

I loved my Coopers and I've got a new set of 265/75/R16's ready to go onto my Triton next Wednesday. I get a lot more wear out of them than I do with the BFG's.

[AK32]

Pic's of Cooper STT Fitted for those who have asked, :thumb: seem to be more room than i thought, 265/75/r16,

[Urshtnme]

Pic's of Cooper STT Fitted for those who have asked, :thumb: seem to be more room than i thought, 265/75/r16,

Looks good, plenty of room to! No lift yet?

[High Country]

Does'nt it just make ya grin, knowing that you can get a bigger tyre under a stock ML Triton, than whats fits under the latest Hilux without mods..............:)

And - on a stock new Hilux - they also don't have enough clearance to run tyre chains on the front end, even with standard rubber/rim combo. And yes - that applies to both std & SR5 versions................

Wonder how many owners of Toyota's 'greatest', are aware of that little gem of info..........!!

Go the Triton!!

[AK32]

The pic here is at the dealership just as vehicle left for ARB, they are doing full suspension OME at present, im in the fortunate situation where i can put a standard vehicle right next to it, and was happy with the increase in lift from the tyres, that with the new suspension should be fine for my needs, but who knows what what will happen... OME Should give about 50mm extra ,but a lot firma....
How do you find the auto Urshtnme?
cheers
tomorrow is only nine days to go!!!!!!!!!!

[Urshtnme]

The pic here is at the dealership just as vehicle left for ARB, they are doing full suspension OME at present, im in the fortunate situation where i can put a standard vehicle right next to it, and was happy with the increase in lift from the tyres, that with the new suspension should be fine for my needs, but who knows what what will happen... OME Should give about 50mm extra ,but a lot firma....
How do you find the auto Urshtnme?
cheers
tomorrow is only nine days to go!!!!!!!!!!

Mate I love the auto, got heaps of poke up high in the revs. Take's a second or 2 to really get off the mark but once she's up, she goes like a rocket.

I'm hanging out for my OME lift to, can't wait to see how much higher I can get her up higher.

[perth rick]

tyres look godd ak, prob go for those my self

[Bammo]

Hi Guys,

I just spoke to the local tyre dealer who suggested that the BFG AT's and the Cooper ST's are not comparable. They reckon the Cooper ATR's are the comparable 80/20 tyre in the Cooper range and the best option to fit to the ML.

Changeover price for 5 BFG's is $1100 or $1000 for the Cooper ATR's.

Now I am really confused! Given my driving is primarily on roads with weekend farm work, are the ATR's a better choice than the Sure Tracs? Is this a reasonable changeover price do you think?

[Urshtnme]

Well I've just picked up the new Cooper ST 265/75/R16's on stock suspension (until Wednesday)

I so just want to go out and play now

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v35/Campo/New-Coopers.jpg

[perth rick]

nice rubber mate, i recon mine will look better as the white writing will go with the whote paint ha ha.

[subi_man]

nice rubber mate, i recon mine will look better as the white writing will go with the whote paint ha ha.
word!!! hehe

[Urshtnme]

smart ass :D :D :D

It'll be muddy by the weekend!!

[Strada]

Just wondering if any of you guys running 265/75R16s have one as a spare also, and if so, does it fit under the tray in the OE location? Been crawling around under one lately (dreaming) and looks a bit tight for a bigger spare. Any contact between you large spare and the vehicle?

[Urshtnme]

Yeah it fits ok, rubs on occasion on the rear diff.

[High Country]

I run Coopers - whats a spare.................... :)

[FreestyleCab]

Just wondering if any of you guys running 265/75R16s have one as a spare also, and if so, does it fit under the tray in the OE location? Been crawling around under one lately (dreaming) and looks a bit tight for a bigger spare. Any contact between you large spare and the vehicle?

When I wound my spare up with the 265/75's on,I pulled it towards the rear of the ute by about 10mm just before the doing final turn on the handle. It is a tight fit but so far I have seen no rub marks on the diff. It would be interesting to see if Tritor has changed his spare, would his 305/70r16's fit?

[perth rick]

needs a wash under there mate :)

[FreestyleCab]

needs a wash under there mate :)

You offering? ;)

[Clay]

Evening all,

I have been browsing the NSW RTA site but to be honest it's all just jibberish to me, I'm wanting to get an idea as to the "legal Limits/requirements" re: wheel and tyre size???
Any ML owners know what the max is according to Mitsubishi??

Cheers in advance
I spoke to Mitsubishi in Townsville because i am running 8in alloy rims compared to the standard 7in alloys and they said they had no issues ,As well as i spoke to my mate the Transport Dep and he said there was no problems and he said he would be worried the speedo reading and its out by 10kmh but thats QLD law