bio in my Triton

[joshinthecity]

Filled up tonight with a tank of B80 Bio. (might actually be B100)
Will report anything interesting. So far it runs great, smells good and when poured into a glass looks just like a glass of canola oil.
Makes me feel good to be running on 80% grown fuel I can tell you.
j.
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g76/joshinthecity/BioDiesel.jpg

[tritor]

does mitsi say its fine in the triton?

[joshinthecity]

I doubt it.
I don't think there is a manufacturer anywhere that is willing to ok B100. That said, apart from needing a new filter once all the crap (what little there might be after only 10,000 klm) cleans out, there's no reason to have any concern.
j.

[Peter @ Aawen4x4]

I doubt it.
I don't think there is a manufacturer anywhere that is willing to ok B100. That said, apart from needing a new filter once all the crap (what little there might be after only 10,000 klm) cleans out, there's no reason to have any concern.
j.

Unless you've got a rotary injector pump! They don't handle it anywhere near as well as in-line pumps! And I'm not to sure about the injectors with the pump built into the top, what are they, HEUI injectors, didn't they have a bunch fail on Bio fuel up the Cape to the extent that they had to put 3 or 4 Jackaroo's on a ship to get them back to Cairns?? But the fuel people were sure it wasn't their fuel that did it, just pure dumb luck that the 2 Jackaroo's that hadn't used bio fuel managed to survive that trip with injector/pumps intact!

[BMS]

does mitsi say its fine in the triton?

Defiantly NOT so don't tell them you've run it on bio cause they will not cover
you for warranty.
Apparently alot of manufactures are doing the same and are even taking fuel
samples so I would be very careful but it's your call josh.

bms

[Milz]

I know of one new model Triton and Navara already that has had a gut load of this stuff and well long story short both ran like a bucket of.....! Both of which had to have the fuel systems cleaned out!

$$$$$$$$$$$$ :mad:

[joshinthecity]

UPDATE:
Half the tank gone and findings are as follows.

ECONOMY: .4L better on average (surprising)
FEEL: 5% smoother and quieter.
POWER: No discernible difference
SMELL: Much nicer. Faint aroma of popcorn & chips.
JAR ON BENCH: Looks exactly as it did when I pumped it 24 hrs ago. No separation of any kind. Still looks like it was poured straight from a canola oil bottle. No water / glycerine or clouding. I obviously don't know if it is or not, but it sure as hell looks like a very high quality fuel to me. No acetone smell etc.
I like it.
j.

[corhijas]

check your fuel filter after 500 and then again at 1000km's

[Peter @ Aawen4x4]

UPDATE:
Half the tank gone and findings are as follows.

ECONOMY: .4L better on average (surprising)
FEEL: 5% smoother and quieter.
POWER: No discernible difference
SMELL: Much nicer. Faint aroma of popcorn & chips.
JAR ON BENCH: Looks exactly as it did when I pumped it 24 hrs ago. No separation of any kind. Still looks like it was poured straight from a canola oil bottle. No water / glycerine or clouding. I obviously don't know if it is or not, but it sure as hell looks like a very high quality fuel to me. No acetone smell etc.
I like it.
j.

Stick the jar on the bench into the refrigerator overnight. If you are going to have any separation or waxing issues, that'll show it up fairly quickly. But the problems that you should be worried about are the long term damage that is/might be being done to your injector pump! You won't see that in the short term, it'll show up later when the pump fails prematurely, requiring a coupla thousand $$ to repair.

Do a search of the bio sites to see what they say about inline vs rotary fuel pumps, last time I looked everyone said take extreme care if at all. And I've seen a couple of rotary pumps that have died due to low quality bio fuel. What you have access to may be fairly high quality, NOW, but what about when you fill up in the back of nowhere, will that bio fuel be as carefully prepared and filtered? I dunno, but seeing all the bio fuel sites are saying take care, I'm going to continue doing it the only way I know is 100% effective! Keep clear as much as possible!

[wado]

Pardon my ignorance but how do you tell if you have a rotary pump. I have a 97 2.8 l diesel rodeo. I've been running 100% biodiesel for nearly 9 months. I'm only using a blended version now because with the cold weather it runs like a pig on 100%bio.

[Irk]

I was talking to a diesel pump rebuilder the other day and he thinks bio is absolute shit for your pump and wallet in the long term but great for his business.

[Peter @ Aawen4x4]

Wado, it's easy enough to do! Pop the bonnet and look for all the little pipes running to the injectors. Follow them back to the fuel pump, on the side of the motor usually. Then look at the arrangement where they come out of the pump.

If they are arranged in one straight line along the pump, then you have an 'In-Line' pump, and underneath each of those pipe connectors is a little camshaft and follower arrangement, with a plunger doing its thing as lifted by the camshaft; basically a tiny version of an in-line motor. The In-Line pumps are tried and proven technology, they've been around since Adam was a wee boy and they are proven quite robust and difficult to break. Quite able to manage a fairly high level of contamination without major issues. Can be expensive to repair once they are broken, but hard to get to that stage. They normally work best on slow revving torquey engines and engines that don't need to respond to rapid accellerator changes or high performance engines.

If the injector pipes are arranged around one end of the pump, usually around the edges of the plate that bolts to one end of the pump, then you have a Rotary pump, or a 'Distributor' style pump. These are much more recent design than the In-Line pumps, with a cam disc and tiny roller cam followers that minutely vary the fuel flow and use a large number of very tiny lift pump actions to generate the fuel monitoring that you need. They have far finer tolerances that allow the pump to be tuned exactly to the engines needs a little better, they respond to accellerator changes and vary the flow of fuel quite quickly, working much harder to produce better response to cleaner and higher performance engines. These always use the diesel fuel itself as the lubricant/coolant, and rely on fine tolerances to work properly. The slightest impurity in the fuel is going to be larger than the microscopic tolerances this pump works to, and even the tiniest of droplets of water can be compressed and convert to steam, allowing the tiny particles of metal immediately underneath to weld themselves to the rollers and get plucked from the cam disc. This sort of damage is irreversible and cumulative. Damage now won't necessarily stop the engine, but it won't take a heap of similar damage to cause a complete failure, although more often the idle and low revs fail first, leaving the engine able to run but only if it can get to high revs before attempting to start.

Help make it all clearer?

[pickle]

does mitsi say its fine in the triton?

This was something that was discussed on the Paj forum a while ago regarding the NP Paj. Mitsubishi did reply to my enquries with this email.

I asked Mitsubishi quite a while ago about the use of Bio fuel!

Hi Dave,

Further to our previous conversation this afternoon, following is the
information regarding the use of Bio-diesel.

All Mitsubishi diesel-powered vehicles can be used with diesel fuel
blended with Fatty Acid Methyl Ester (FAME) that meets the requirements
detailed below (as specified by the "Common Position Statement"
announced by the five major diesel fuel injection equipment
manufactures).

1. Amount of FAME must be below 5 vol. %
2. Quality of FAME must conform to EN14214
3. Quality of FAME blended diesel fuel must conform to EN590

If the use of an alternative fuel has caused or contributed to a defect
or concern the warranty will be denied on the affected components.

The following websites will provide you with further information.

http://www.biodiesel.org.au (http://www.biodiesel.org.au/)http://www.bp.com.au (http://www.bp.com.au/)
http://www.ufop.de/download/FAME_Statement_June_2004.pdf (http://www.ufop.de/download/FAME_Statement_June_2004.pdf)

Thank you for your enquiry.


Dave

[wado]

Thanks Peter, I understand now :)

[Patman]

I can give you the number of a neighbour who spends all day every day rebuilding injector pumps. They have experienced a huge spike in business with the introduction of Bio.