33"'s on a 2.8 Hilux

[Texas]

Hi all,
I have a 90model 2.8d hilux. I currently have 31*10.5*15 wrangler atrs which are just about to be replaced. Ive heard that the 2.8 struggles a bit with 33's. Is this true. How much difference would it make to go from 31's to 33's.
Thanks
Tony

[THE RIG]

its not too bad at all,imo you can notice it a little bit when taking off and going up hills and sutff,but the diesel was never meant for speed in the first place....

do it though lol


tom

[Kiri]

You wil have about a 6.5% ratio change; then add a bit for rolling resistance if you go from 10.5 to 12.5".

[babylux]

Yeah its not that bad you get used to it. I tow my boat at 100kmph eaisly enough. Have towed cars too but couldnt get past 80kmph.

[tommyk]

yeh mines a standard 2.8 with 33's goes ok, 1st and 2nd gear are more useable, but some hills can slow it down.

[beaujest4]

Looking at doing the same and fitting OME suspension. Would that give enough clearence without body lifts and jacking it up?

[Bricki]

Yeah I think u can fit 33's with a 2" lift either susp or body (but someone might want to confirm this)

Does anyone know what 33's would be like with 4.88 diff ratios - I know that 4.88 are the way to go with 35's but if u have em with 33's is the gearing too low???

[FourXfouR]

you can fit them with 2" cab lift only. My 32's scrub with just a 2" spring lift.

[BushTuckerNed]

Yeah I think u can fit 33's with a 2" lift either susp or body (but someone might want to confirm this)

Does anyone know what 33's would be like with 4.88 diff ratios - I know that 4.88 are the way to go with 35's but if u have em with 33's is the gearing too low???


they will scrub pretty bad

mine has got 2" body, and sagged front springs and it rubs hard on the guard. but nothing that stops me from doing anything

mines got 4.88s too, but mines 2.4 petrol. pushes them along fine

[Bricki]

they will scrub pretty bad

mine has got 2" body, and sagged front springs and it rubs hard on the guard. but nothing that stops me from doing anything

mines got 4.88s too, but mines 2.4 petrol. pushes them along fine
so have u've got a BL and sagged "standard" height springs with 33's or sagged lifted springs??? that srub

[BushTuckerNed]

i really dont know

they were on the car when i got it, sumone told me they were lifted. Id say 2" at the max. Or even 1". But there that sagged now that there flat or inverted

[nate]

yeah im in the same boat btn. the fronts are flat

[beaujest4]

Guess I'll find out in a couple of weeks when I get mine done. 33 MTZ with OME sus.

[Big Woody]

Yeh go for it mate. Fit the 33's, they look great.
I had a 1990 2.8 dual cab with 2" suspension & 2" body lift and my 33's didn't rub anywhere.
As far as power is concerned you can't be in a hurry if you own one of these anyway but to be honest, yes it did knock it around a bit especially if you wanted to tow anything.
As I live near Bundaberg where there are no hills anyway it did not worry me too much but if I lived in the nountains I would get a bit frustrated.
There were a couple of times off-road inreally steep stuff or in really heavy sand where you would normally have tackled in 1st gear high range, when after I went to the 33's it was necessary to go to low range. That is what it is there for anyway.
On the highway I could still sit on the speed limit if it was flat and a run to Darwin I could sit on 120kph on the NT highways but that was about it. I started to drive like an old farmer after a year or so and got into the habit of sitting at least 5 k's under the speed limit and I noticed that after that I never got anxoius again about trying to overtake on the highway. You would have to time your run up about 2 km's ahead and you would still need about 5km's of clear road to get around a semi. Heartstopping stuff (Ha!) Just gave up after a while and life was much easier.
Would I do it all again? Definately!

Brett

[REDROCKET]

the ++++ will far out weigh the ----. My old hilux (REDROCKET;) ) was only 2.4 diesel and had 33's when i brought it and it went pretty well. I then change em to 35's and that killed it a bit uphills and on the sand but everywhere else was still fine, low was still low enough etc!

[SURFINLEE]

Hi Groovers,
Another option if you want to go back to the standard gearing is to ring marks 4wd adapters and see what they have for regearing (i cant remember if its the diff or the gearbox) that you have to change

hope this helps

Cheers

Lee:D

[lukethedork]

Mine is a '96 dual cab styleside. I got 33's (285/75/16) on Patrol rims, no lift. They only rub on the front when the suspension is compressed, they hit the rear of the front guard, and mostly when turned.
Personally i Wouldn't bother with a lift on 33's... Maybe 2" sus but only for more flex.
33's And no lift looks wicked! More people should do it. No need for the tipsy lanky look of most hilux's (no offence) =P

Forgot to give my say about the gearing too. We'll i think its fine with 33's, I got stock gearing. Little slower off the line, holds the top speed almost as well. But not as big a deal as people make it out to be. Although i also don't carry any heavy loads, So if probably effects you alot more if you do.

Luke.

[beaujest4]

So then do we turbo or 4.88 diff?

[ChunkyCharcoal]

I have a 1990 hilux with 2 " Bodylift and 2"spring lift. With 33's mine scrubs pretty hard at the front still... When others have posted that they have 33's and no lift and no scrub I find it VERY hard to believe.

As for power and gearing it doesn't affect it too much. On the highway you will definately need to time your run when overtaking tho!

[Spimon_NH]

Maybe they're just not trying hard enough!!

I don't know how much difference it makes, but 33" tyres are not all equal.
Nankang 33's are really 32.1", while BFG MT 33's are 32.8".
That's just the first 2 I checked and almost half an inch difference in radius.

On a HiLux is it the height or width that scrubs first?

[Celt's]

I have a 1990 hilux with 2 " Bodylift and 2"spring lift. With 33's mine scrubs pretty hard at the front still... When others have posted that they have 33's and no lift and no scrub I find it VERY hard to believe.

As for power and gearing it doesn't affect it too much. On the highway you will definately need to time your run when overtaking tho!

nothings gonna slow you down mate:D

[ChunkyCharcoal]

Maybe they're just not trying hard enough!!

I don't know how much difference it makes, but 33" tyres are not all equal.
Nankang 33's are really 32.1", while BFG MT 33's are 32.8".
That's just the first 2 I checked and almost half an inch difference in radius.

On a HiLux is it the height or width that scrubs first?

Mine scrubs hard on the rear of the front wheel arches. I've taken to the seam with a hammer and under full compression they still scrub. I'm going to have to move the front diff foward at least an inch to stop it.

[babylux]

Mine scrubs hard on the rear of the front wheel arches.

Same, mine also scrubs on the rear chassis.

[lukethedork]

Same, mine also scrubs on the rear chassis.
Yup, I was scared of that happening to mine. But I run patrol rims to stop that. Plus my tires are only 285mm wide, not the usual 12.5".
I think my tires measured up at 32.5" when i measured them horizontal and 32.1" when measured vertical.
They rubbed hard on the rear of the FRONT GUARD, and tore the plastic liner stuff off, and it was gonna keep getting torn off its bolts so i just cut it up to the next bolts.
Looks much better on 33's and no lift + better COG than if you lift it =D

Luke.

[Celt's]

a bodylift doesn't change the COG that much as all the heavy stuff stays put!

[babylux]

Looks much better on 33's and no lift + better COG than if you lift it =D


PICS please:D

[FourXfouR]

It really depends on wht tyres you run as well.

My mate ran 33" BF AT's with a 2" cab lift only and it NEVER scrubbed. I honestly dont think that the stock springs had enough flex in them because it didnt articulate all that well.

My other mate runs 33" Maxxis buckshots with 2" spring and 2" cab lift and it scrubs big time. As I said earlier, I run 32" Maxxis Bighorns with 2" spring lift and they scrub hard.

[lukethedork]

Pictures.
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The pictures are not too good since they were shot with a mobile.
This is my 96 dual cab 2.8D on 285/75/16 on patrol rims.

[FourXfouR]

Technically patrol rims should foul on the front calipers. have the calipers been shaved?

[lukethedork]

Technically patrol rims should foul on the front calipers. have the calipers been shaved?
No, I have not shaved the calipers.
When i was putting them on i noticed that. but they seem to JUST miss? =P So far no sign of rubbing on the calipers and haven't heard any strange noises apart from the tires rubbing the guards so far, so all is good.

Luke.

[FourXfouR]

No, I have not shaved the calipers.
When i was putting them on i noticed that. but they seem to JUST miss? =P So far no sign of rubbing on the calipers and haven't heard any strange noises apart from the tires rubbing the guards so far, so all is good.

Luke.


Sweet, seems that some hit and some dont

Your truck does look pretty sweet mate, but do you have any pics of it articulating? Is it stock suspension etc

With my front springs being quite flexy, they're constantly on the bumps stops when I take her for a bash offroad

[lukethedork]

My mate has some more pictures of my truck flexing, so i'll get them from him soon.
The front compresses all the way till it touches the bumpstops.
But the rear still has abit to go, you can stick your thumb in between the spring and the bumpstop when flexed.

Yes, i believe the suspension is stock. It barely droops and the front leaves are almost flat.

Luke.

[BushTuckerNed]

Yup, I was scared of that happening to mine. But I run patrol rims to stop that. Plus my tires are only 285mm wide, not the usual 12.5".
I think my tires measured up at 32.5" when i measured them horizontal and 32.1" when measured vertical.
They rubbed hard on the rear of the FRONT GUARD, and tore the plastic liner stuff off, and it was gonna keep getting torn off its bolts so i just cut it up to the next bolts.
Looks much better on 33's and no lift + better COG than if you lift it =D

Luke.

so they dont hit on the rear at all?

i run cruiser rims which im pretty sure are more offset than patrol. my 12.5s rub hard on the chassis and limit flex, my 11" wide dont rub, neither did my 11.5". your tyres must be about that wide to then i guess

[crack]

just had 33's put on mine. mines a 92 2.8 she struggled a bit but they were only on for a day till my turbo went on and nows shes sweet! the tyres gace me a better gear ratio. they scrub pretty bad on mine and i have 2inch body and 2inch suspension lift. so im gonna lift it more and maybe move diff forward. looks heaps better to :)

[lukethedork]

so they dont hit on the rear at all?

i run cruiser rims which im pretty sure are more offset than patrol. my 12.5s rub hard on the chassis and limit flex, my 11" wide dont rub, neither did my 11.5". your tyres must be about that wide to then i guess

That's right, No rubbing at all on the chassis. Mine are 16x8 patrol rims, and 285/75/16 tires, and 285 / 25.4 = 11.22", so they are not very wide really.

Also, i thought Patrol rims had more offset than cruiser rims?

[dirty harry]

if its patrol off set it wont fit on a hilux unless you have xover steering, or wheel spacers on.
patrol rims will hit on your steering.

[lukethedork]

if its patrol off set it wont fit on a hilux unless you have xover steering, or wheel spacers on.
patrol rims will hit on your steering.
I BEG TO DIFFER!
Haven't noticed the rims hitting anything so far...

Luke.

[Synergy]

I have a 1990 hilux with 2 " Bodylift and 2"spring lift. With 33's mine scrubs pretty hard at the front still... When others have posted that they have 33's and no lift and no scrub I find it VERY hard to believe.

As for power and gearing it doesn't affect it too much. On the highway you will definately need to time your run when overtaking tho!


I have 33's and since i got the front wound up its scrub free, drive it urself if you find it hard to belive, yes offroad as well

[ChunkyCharcoal]

Yeah syn, that's probably right for IFS suspension. You have a 2" body lift tho?

[babylux]

so they dont hit on the rear at all?

imy 12.5s rub hard on the chassis and limit flex,

Same here mine rub that hard that they have rubbed the chassis to bare metal I have to keep painting the chassis so it dosent rust.

[slcm10]

My BFG 33's clear easy with 2" lift and diff moved forward 1".

[A1 Mech]

I hav 33's on my 4runners with GU rims and they rub the front swaybar when on full lock, The rear rubs the chassis due to the flex of the coils but isnt a problem. Ther seems to be alot of different information flying around in here, From what I hav experienced the best offset to run is a landcrusier or wider offset to get the tyres away from the chassis and steering, I had my 33's working fine with just 2" suspension but with a 2" body also thers plenty of room.

My GU steels clear the IFS calipers fine but scrub on my m8s leaf sprung calipers (shave 2mm off and ur sweet). Another possibility instead of moving the diff forward wud be to enlarge the guards as nemisis did on his old 5link'd 4runner. I used to think 33's scrubbed bad till I tried 35's then u know wat scrubbing is, they tried to desemble my car on bumps.

[brissle]

i had new ome 2 inch spring lift with 33's and they still rubbed , then gave it 2 inches in the body and it was fine

[beaujest4]

Hi all,
I have a 90model 2.8d hilux. I currently have 31*10.5*15 wrangler atrs which are just about to be replaced. Ive heard that the 2.8 struggles a bit with 33's. Is this true. How much difference would it make to go from 31's to 33's.
Thanks
Tony

Tony,

Just got my truck an 89 2.8 dual cab back from the shop. OME, Mickey Thompson 33s, ARB diff locks front and rear and 4.88 diff axle. Looks good, sits well. When flexed found brake hose a bit short both ends. Yes does scrub but haven't driven one the flex to find out how bad. The 4.88 diff axle makes a difference. As I say still to take it bush to find out how good. Shall post pic later.

[wardie96]

any one got 32's and just a 2 inch suspension lift?

[Luxxxy]

hey lads, thought i'd throw my 2 bob in.

Hankook 33's (12.5) on 4 inch lift and 2 inch body lift - only scrubs when turning right though. Its intercooled turbo but still slows down on hills - but i'm only running 10psi.

[spanna chucka]

how much works involved in moving the front diff forward? It seems easy enough to me just need longer drive shaft, adjustable torque rod, adjustable drag link, longer brake lines?, relocation plates, different shock mounts? caster wedges?
hey gooki good to see you hear too! :thumb:

[lukethedork]

how much works involved in moving the front diff forward? It seems easy enough to me just need longer drive shaft, adjustable torque rod, adjustable drag link, longer brake lines?, relocation plates, different shock mounts? caster wedges?
hey gooki good to see you hear too! :thumb:
I've considered moving my diff forward, and think i will soon too.
I would of thought just a new torque rod and driveshaft spacers should do the job?
I wanna fit 35s... Just need to get a job so i can buy some :cry:

Luke.

[own81]

G'day Im running 35x13.5 mudzillas with 30mm body,50mm spring.had to beat in rear of gards also rubs on draglink knuckle on full left lock also want to move diff forward as dont want 2 much more hight.

[Turbo Tonka]

my lux has 2" springs and 2" bodylift and still can scrub with my 32s.in my opinion mate go the 33s,a much better looking tire haha.na it will make it a good truck,you could even chase some 4.56 or 4.88 gears to help.?????

[spanna chucka]

actually come to think of it my previous lux was an 82' dual cab with 2 inch spring lift and 33 inch x 10.5 inch BFG all terrains and had about an inch of clearance from the back of the front guards so I am guessing the clearance issues would be model specific

[80?]

My mate has BFG MT's 33x10.5's on his 2.8 hilux. He has shortened ratio's and a turbo. On a big hill in Vic he left me for dead carrying 5 beagles and a bloodhound in his dog box (my 80 series is bog standard). I would not do it without considerable lift and a turbo.

[A1 Mech]

deadset if u hav 2" suspension and 2" body on a hilux, 33x12.5's on a -25 or wider offset rim will work fine, just add sum flexy flares and ur laughing, On a hilux the front will rub on the rear of the wheel arch but just take to it with a hammer then spray with rustkill, On my 4runner due to the big rear flex my tyres come right up in the guards and try to pull the side bumpers off but its no biggy. best trick is to just buy the tyres go for a serious 4x4 with big flex ups and the guards will usually widen themselves or the tyres will leave marks wer u need to do sum work.

[SILV89]

im about to get the maxxis bucksots either in 33x12.5 or 35x 12.5 with 2inch body and 2inch extended shackles on my 90 hilux 2.8dt, also considering moving the front diff forward 1inch if its not too difficult.
is this enough to fit the 35's or will it be constantly ripping parts off the car?

[A1 Mech]

2" BL and 2" shackles wud c u running 35's on the road easy enough, its offroad that u wud run into dramas. When I had twistys 35's on my 6" lifted 4runner they were unuseable offroad, If u hav a trayback u can move around ur mudguards to make room, on the front ull hav to take about 50mm off the rear of the wheel arches and massage it with a hammer where ever it still rubs. Unless ur really keen id just go 33's, u gain no added traction as ther both 12.5' wide, u defently will hav to change to 4.88 diffs if u want any sort of decent low range and acceleration and ur only gaining 25mm extra under the diffs, not to mention they stand out to the fuzz even more so then 33's.

Id be changing to a 2" leaf also. Cheers

[THE RIG]

ive got 2'' spring lift and 33 x 12.5 tyres,only scrubs a little bit on the back of the flare,bodylift will fix this and new not sagged springs