Suzuki Sierra Electric Winch - Who has One ?

[luxa]

As per title above

Who has an electric winch on their Sierra (or Jimny/Vitara?Drover). What size and brand is it?

Would this pull a Zook ?
http://www.terraintamer.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22_21&products_id=34

Cheers

Luxa

[REDROCKET]

I'd be thinking something a little bigger, maybe 5-6000lbs.

I've got a 2000lbs on the front of my quad and i'll only just pull that if it's fairly well bogged. Mate has a 3000lbs warn on his quad and thats a lot better but it'd still be way out of it's legue pulling a zook thats stuck.

Rule of thumb with winch, vehicle weight x 2 = min size winch. 2.5x pref

[PJ.zook]

Just get a 9500pounder, even the chinese winches are ok these days, especially for occasional use!

[luxa]

I'd be thinking something a little bigger, maybe 5-6000lbs.

I've got a 2000lbs on the front of my quad and i'll only just pull that if it's fairly well bogged. Mate has a 3000lbs warn on his quad and thats a lot better but it'd still be way out of it's legue pulling a zook thats stuck.

Rule of thumb with winch, vehicle weight x 2 = min size winch. 2.5x pref

I don't currently have a Zook, so no idea on weight. The Oldies have a stock sierra that is nearing its useful life as daily driver without some major maintenance.....

Also thought the rule of thumb was fully loaded weight x 1.5 ?

I considered the 9000lbs, have one sitting in the shed (Warn), but it is bloody heavy to be sitting on the front of a Zook. That and the Zook alternator probably couldn't crank out the amps to get the most out of it - if it could it would probably make a LWB out of a SWB in very little time.

Can anyone post the GVM of a Sierra ?

Cheers

Luxa

[todders]

I have a jimny with a warn M6000 2,700 kg(6000lb ) . It is mouted to an arb winch bar. It is more than enough for the loaded jimny. I just have a snatch block if im very stuck. Weight wise it is not a prob, I have old man emu susp and it handles the extra weight over the front end. Good luck

[ZookNC]

Hi Luxa,

I've just been through all the research to buy a winch and I went for a Warn M6000 2700 kgs model. What you need to know about Warn winches is that the 6000 pound (2.7 tonne) and 8000 pound (3.6 tonne) models have the same motors but with different gearing. Weight is the same, size also but I picked the M6000 model because it is heaps powerful enough for the Zook and a lot quicker than the 8000, being geared higher.
I went for a Warn because of reputation and customer service and because they have a lot more spares available, here in Noumea.
After having used it a few times to get me out of "winch or walk home" situations, I can tell you it's conforting to know you have a world's best winch brand hanging off the front of your truck.

I've also had Warn spotties on the car for nearly ten years and they're still going strong, and I just bought a Warn battery isolator to fit a dual battery setup.

Hope this helps,

cheers,

[Forseti]

Gday Luxa

It all depends on how much you really know about recovery, and winching.
You can go with PJ Zooks suggestion and get a 9500 which apart from keeping the nose on the ground and adding a fair bit to your fuel bill to cat the monster around is enough winch to turn a SWB Sierra into a Streached LWB.

When effecting a recovery you need to take into account several factors.

Vehicle weight, fairly easey.

Soil factor, a bit more scientific as different soils provide varying qualities to the problem eg. Granet slop turns into quick sand that sucks your machine down and demands a virgin sacrifice before it lets go, Black soil turns into a sucktion cup that defys logic and the hard brown stuff makes a damn fine skating rink. Also are you Dry bogged or waist deep in a black slop that leaves you relieved to get yourself to hard standing and bugger the car.

Slope factor, at what angle are you pulling the car, this increases in difficulty up to 60% at which point you are basically lifting the machine.

Damage factor, have you sustained a mechanical problem leaving both front wheels pointing in opposite directions.

and finnaly a safety factor. For Justin.

Taking all this into account the worst case scenario pull for a Sierra is about 3500kg.

If you are prepared to use a double line pull or even a triple, when you need it you can get away with a winch like Todders Warn 6000 at 2700kg straight line pull or even Redrocket's mate's Warn 3000 at 1400kg which are heaps lighter.

And remember dont try to recover a Patroll with your Zook unless you reall know what you are doing or you will either pull the Zook into the bog or end up with a Suzuki bullbar and winch on the front seat of the Patroll.

[luxa]

I'm not keen on the idea of a 9500lb winch on the front of a Zook - I believe its major overkill, excess weight and a zook will never pump enough amps to get the maximium capacity out of the winch. OK if your Zook is a dedicated offroader, but not what I'm interested in.

I guess I'm looking to see what the economical winch options are for a Zook. There are plenty of al-cheapo's on the market these days - but I havn't seen one in the 6000lbs class!!!!!

Luxa

[Humpy]

Can anyone post the GVM of a Sierra ?

Cheers

Luxa

my old soft top weighed 1040kg (2290 lb), expect another 100kg (220 lb) for the hardtop I think theyre rated for 500kg (1100 lb) carying capacity

[Bruceh]

A few of the guys in our 4wd club running Sierra's have 6500 winches.
I have a 9500 on my Grand Vitara.

[luxa]

How many you guys have found the weight of a 9000lbs, or 9500lbs sits on the front of the zook, or have you compensated with spring changes ?

Luxa

[Bruceh]

Yes I had custom spring made up allowing for Bullbar and winch. Works great. 9000/9500 winches are about 45kg but I guess you could save a bit or weight by going to rope instead of cable.

[v840]

I have a 9000lb slow mount. Weight is negligible IMO. leaves can take a fair bit of load. If your really that worried about it you could add an extra load bearing (short) leaf into your front packs but honestly I dont think its worth it.

My 2c.

[Liam@bbm]

Warn M6000 warn on the rear, Warn 8274-50 on the front with a few mods including 6hp motor . Used both to recover my own car and others( 3 patrols and a troopy last time)
You'll never regret getting the biggest winch of the best quality you can.

[juzzyr]

G'day bloke, this is an old thread so you may have already got something by now. I was down at terrain tamer today and they were telling me about a new 5000lb winch they have just got in perfect for the sierra. I had to tell the boss when I got home. Has to go on the chrissy list though as I just spent heaps on a trip to robe and my new 2" lift kit. Got taken care of well by the blokes down at terrain tamer.

[GRPABT1]

I'm probably getting this one, seems the most value for money to me. What do people think about these? Superior Engineering (http://www.superiorengineering.com.au/product_info.php?cPath=26_29_30&products_id=1885)

[luxa]

Guys (& gals) - don't think the thread is dead!!!!

I still don't even have a sierra yet (waiting for the oldies to upgrade, then hopefully I can pick up the "trade in").

I've also since done a course in "rope rescue", learnt a shitload about breaking strains, anchors and mechanical advantages etc..... again - I have a 9000lbs warn in the shed - I still don't think a standard sierra needs it, or is capable of getting 100% out of it without electrical mods...

Just want to know what the options are....and the 5000lbs terrain tamer sounds like the right medicine !!!!

Luxa

[zauronus]

i run a warn m6000 on my zook, single line pulls through everything i point it at, looking to spool 40m of plasma on it in the near future, but more than adequate winch wise for the car. mine is a hardtop with full roller draws in the back. so loaded up its heavy, still no probs.

[want33s]

I have put a 9500lb lowmount on my 89 swb soft top. Winch is a chinese ebay job, (4300kg). EF falcon 100Amp alternator charges a 270cca starter battery and a 1000cca sealed gel cell under floor in rear. I made the bar myself & had it powdercoated. The whole package, Bar, Winch, Cabling, Bigger alt & extra battery weighs about 90kg - 100kg.
I've saved myself a couple of times now.:crazy: Haven't had to use it on anyone else yet but I'm sure it will do it. I could have fitted a smaller winch but knowing my luck I'd wreck it pulling a big fallen tree or patrol.



http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o221/want33s/Suzi%20winch%20bar/DSCF5095.jpg
Note the extra reinforcing bars I fitted.


http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o221/want33s/Suzi%20winch%20bar/DSCF5051.jpg
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o221/want33s/Suzi%20winch%20bar/DSCF5200.jpg

[chosen]

my old soft top weighed 1040kg (2290 lb), expect another 100kg (220 lb) for the hardtop I think theyre rated for 500kg (1100 lb) carying capacity
According to the red book... a 1994 Sierra Hard top has a Kerb Weight of 950kg and a 1999 Jimny has a Kerb Weight of 1025kg

Something else to consider when picking a winch is the location of its clutch/brake... if it is in the middle of the spool you shouldn't ever use plasma rope on it (unless specially insulated) as this part of the winch can get hot and melt the plasma!!! Do you ever intend on using plasma???

BTW... I hear the other day that all Warn winches still have the clutch/brake in the spool where other brands have moved away from this construction method - it is just hear say and I haven't confirmed this YET!?!

Nice winch mount Want33's - on ya!

Chosen