The biggest wheels for a IFS Hilux

[02-SR5]

For all new members who want to know this question, here is the answer. It is open to different experiences and opionions of course. This same question raises its head about once a week lately.

IFS Hilux with a 2inch lift will fit the following:

31 x 10.5 x 15 on a 15 x 7 inch rim zero offset

32 x 11.5 x 15 on a 15 x 7 inch rim zero offset (Ilegal)

245 x 75 x 16 on a 16 x 8 inch rim zero offset (31inch approx)

265 x 75 x 16 on a 16 x 8 inch rim zero offset (32inch approx) with slight rubbing around the mudflap area.

33inch will fit only with a 2inch suspension and 2 inch body lift.

If anybody eles wants to add anything (Boof/Synergy/Twisty/Tuff IFS) feel free, Im just sick answering the same questions.

Rob

[e-Lux]

Almost feel embarrased to ask... Oh well

What combination are you running 02?

[02-SR5]

MTX Mickey Thompson 265/75/16 on a CSA (dunno name) 16x8 alloy rim.

[e-Lux]

thanks 02

[Murf67]

I am confused, is that for your model 02 Hilux or for the 05 and later IFS coil Hilux:D

Cheers Murf

[02-SR5]

before the coil model, up to 04 I beleive

[westvictoriaHILUX]

35's fit with 2inch body and 2 inch lift. Team CARNIGE have em. I no they have modified under there guards but.

[02-SR5]

I was just trying to help people with the same IFS question without going to the extreme of body lifts and panel mods.

I was just trying to get the point accross of the biggest rim and tyre combo you can go with just a mild suspension lift.

[westvictoriaHILUX]

I was just trying to help people with the same IFS question without going to the extreme of body lifts and panel mods.

I was just trying to get the point accross of the biggest rim and tyre combo you can go with just a mild suspension lift.

Cool bananas. Sorry mate.

[Coupland]

Cheers 02-SR5. I was one of the ones to blame a week or so back :o. Off tomorrow to look at a 2inch lift...

[TUFF IFS LUX]

yeah good stuff 02-sr5. thou rookie on the other thread reckons he had 285's on his with a 2" lift only !

Dont know how he did this.

Anyway, when my current 265's wear out, i will look into a balljoint lift of 1inch and then experiment with either a 285 (thou I'll have to sus out what sort of offset, patrol I reckon) or run 15x7/8's with 33/10.5x15 as Im pretty sure with measuring my current setup that with the extra lift the skinny 33's should fit.

time will tell.

anyone else have their experiences they want to post up here?

P.S By the way, the Team Carnage Hilux is a pre-98 lux, the guards are slightly longer in length which allows a bigger tyre, and he cut out the inner guards completely and rewelded new panel with heaps more clearance in its place to run the 35's.....highly illegal for the street!

[Tri_Lon]

i have a 2002 hilux with 31x10.5x15 on 15x8 sunraysias with 0 offset.
As far as i can tell, and anyone else there has been no suspension lift

[Big Boots]

The new lux should fit 31's with slight rubbing and no lift. 2 inch lift will see no rubbing and 31's. 2 inch lift will also see 32's aka 265/75 R16 with slight rubbing.

[tuff4runner]

so will 31s/245/75 r16 fit under 4runner with no lift

[TUFF IFS LUX]

I know a bloke with a new SR5 with 265/75x16 Copper STT's and he says they "just" touch in certain conditions offroad. Then again theres a bloke on this forum somewhere with a new luxi and 2" lift I beleive running 285's, possibly with sum guard trimming, thou it aint impossible.

[Fishballs]

hey guys,

all of you with 32' s or 265/etc on IFS Lux whats the drive like. Do you lose alot of low gearing and need diff ratio change or is it not warranted. I have a 03 V6 Lux with 31s on 15 at the moment. Have just put in EFS lift and was maybe gonna put on 16s with 32approx size tyre.

Cheers

[boof]

My mate says his made bugger all difference and he isnt going to bother with ratios.

[Fishballs]

cheers boof,

i dont wanna spend the money. Im happy to stick with the 31s if it was the case. But id rather run the biggest tyre I can without going to much trouble.
Nice rig by the way!!

Fishballs

[boof]

heres a pic of my mates with 2" bodylift and 32s on 17s it looks great imo. And he is the one who isnt doing his ratios.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/mg_ellis1/Other%204x4s/darrenscar004res.jpg

[McSumWay]

Hey fishballs. I run 265 on a current hilux and had slight rubbing on full lock with no lift and no rubbing with 2" lift.

Offset is the big problem with these as the standard rims are set well inside the wheel well. If you push them out you clear the problems but they become illegal in most states.

[tdipajero]

If you are sick of posting an answer then dont and stop complaining

[Fishballs]

Yeah I got some wider rims but they are 15s. I was thinking MTRs 32x11.5x15 but I just read this thread and apparently there illegal. Im only worried about insurance not the wallopers. Id go MTZ but they dont do a 32x11.5x15. So im may switch over to 16 inch rims. I think with a 2inch lift you gotta put bigger wheels on. Looks heaps better.

Fishballs

[02-SR5]

"If you are sick of posting an answer then dont and stop complaining"

ok, i will bite.

this was posted months ago because the same question pops up all the time. and guess what champ, the same answers.

if u dont have any advise to provide, then dont post crap and be a smartarse...

[boof]

Can we leave it at that, not every thread needs a crusader looking for trouble. If you have nothing to add to the thread then dont ;)

[Fishballs]

nice work 02,

thanks for the advice guys, I searched all the site and found heaps of info from all of ya regarding this.

[02-SR5]

Fish Ol'mate

You can fit 33s/285s, but it will cost money, body lift and suspension lift, or snake racing 4inch lift kit ($$$$).

It all comes down to cost.

IMHO, if I was to do it all over again. I personally would of stuck with 2inch lift, 31inch muddies, and front and rear lockers.

I have spent too much money just to fit my 33s Im currently running. Now when I look at it, the money would of been better off spent eleswhere (read: camper trailer).

Rob

[Fishballs]

Thanks Rob, I hear ya on the money factor there mate!!

[v6hilux]

I guess with 1" Ball Joint Spacers and 2" blocks, we could get a bit more size on the front. Can someone do the sums on that combination?

[TUFF IFS LUX]

I reckon with the 1inch BJ spacer and 2inch body lift blocks you might be able to squeeze 285's under the guards with the correct offset (trial and error here) and some trimming.

with this 3inch combo, I do not see why you couldnt fit 33/10.5x15 BFG's, overall diameter being 32.7.

There really is no 'real' need to go any bigger if your vehicle is used everyday and this combo would keep the centre of gravity as low as possible for the size of the tyres, which would help ya when offroad.

Dont get me wrong, 35's look tuff as, and as much as we all like them (and wish we could afford the mods to fit them) they arent practical if your vehicle is a daily driver and weekend getaway vehicle, and some medium offroading.

also, do you really need "wide" tyres, when 10.5's in most cases do the job unless your running in heaps of sand or constantly in boggy mud?

(yeah, I know, my tyres are wider than 10.5 too) :P

there are heaps of avenues and thank god we have a site such as this to discuss and debate the pro's and con's for the benefit of those who may not be as experienced as others. No reason to flame 'newbies' or others for that matter.

[lukethedork]

For all new members who want to know this question, here is the answer. It is open to different experiences and opionions of course. This same question raises its head about once a week lately.

33inch will fit only with a 2inch suspension and 2 inch body lift.

If anybody eles wants to add anything (Boof/Synergy/Twisty/Tuff IFS) feel free, Im just sick answering the same questions.

Rob
Why do you quote the '2inch suspension' instead of saying how much bump stop is required? (its completely useless information saying how much spring lift)
As i've said before, the only thing that will change with a suspension lift (coils/leafs and shocks) is the angle in which the tire compresses into the guard.

Luke.

[Black Sheep]

Hey 02-SR5 I have a 99 with roh mags 15x8's and sunnys also 15x8 and Maxxis Buck shot mudders 31x10.5x15 a 2-2.5 inch suspenshion lift and the only time i get rubbing is under certain circumstances off road i would love to get a set of 32 or 33's but being a daily driver for my wife it is just not pratical and the extra cost of body lift and whinging from my wife about not being able to get in to the car is not worth it so i spent the extra cost on a rear locker I must say that my 31's have taken me everywhere i have asked them to everywhere from cruiser canyon to airlocker av at landcruiser who could want much more.

[02-SR5]

I quoted the "50mm" lift because I was talking about IFS trucks.

It is pretty much the standard lift you can get out of a IFS truck (HILUX) without the need for after market parts. Unlike a solid axle where the wheel travels up and down in ( or ) this type of direction, where as a IFS will travel up and down almost vertical (maybe with a little bend), but it doesnt have the side ways travel as a coil spring live axle has.

So yea, Im not wrong in refering to a spring lift of approx 50mm out of a IFS hilux.

As for the fitting of the 31s, like I posted before. If I could turn back the clock, I would of been happy with 31inch muddies and lockers front and back, it got me all places I ever wanted to go. I have spent a lot of money to make 33s fit, but IMPO, the mods (lift and tyres) arnt worth the money I spent on it. It doesnt go any more places than it does before, the missus complains now it is to high, I had to take my ARB roof rack off because it now doesnt fit in the garage, the speedo is out by 10km, it drinks more fuel.....


But it does look hot with the 33in BFG Muddies and Mickey Thompson classic II's.

[02-SR5]

4inch lift and 33inch BFG Muddies

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h156/02SRI/Picture166.jpg

[lukethedork]

I quoted the "50mm" lift because I was talking about IFS trucks.

It is pretty much the standard lift you can get out of a IFS truck (HILUX) without the need for after market parts. Unlike a solid axle where the wheel travels up and down in ( or ) this type of direction, where as a IFS will travel up and down almost vertical (maybe with a little bend), but it doesnt have the side ways travel as a coil spring live axle has.

So yea, Im not wrong in refering to a spring lift of approx 50mm out of a IFS hilux.

As for the fitting of the 31s, like I posted before. If I could turn back the clock, I would of been happy with 31inch muddies and lockers front and back, it got me all places I ever wanted to go. I have spent a lot of money to make 33s fit, but IMPO, the mods (lift and tyres) arnt worth the money I spent on it. It doesnt go any more places than it does before, the missus complains now it is to high, I had to take my ARB roof rack off because it now doesnt fit in the garage, the speedo is out by 10km, it drinks more fuel.....


But it does look hot with the 33in BFG Muddies and Mickey Thompson classic II's.
But why would lifting it let you fit bigger tires? whether IFS or solid axle, your bumpstop won't have changed by fitting longer springs and shocks.
I'm just trying to help, as you say you are sick of answering the same questions. But from what I see, your answers are wrong.

Luke.

[02-SR5]

But why would lifting it let you fit bigger tires? whether IFS or solid axle, your bumpstop won't have changed by fitting longer springs and shocks.
I'm just trying to help, as you say you are sick of answering the same questions. But from what I see, your answers are wrong.

Luke.

Sorry luke, I dont understand what you are saying. Why wouldnt longer springs (coil) increase the space between the bumpstops, this doesnt make sense. Longer coils raise the body and chassis from the axle, thus increasing the space between the the bumpstops(bottom of chassis and top of axle), thus increasing the space between the wheel hub and the body of the car.

The same for leaf and Torsion (IFS). By increasing the suspension height, you are increasing the space between the hub and the body, thus providing you the space needed to place bigger wheels on the vehicle.

On an IFS vehicle, you can raise the front suspension, but you dont increase any travel, you will gain up travel, but loose down (droop) travel, but you still increase some height (50mm max) with no mods and keep it sensible. You can gain approx 75mm with ball joint spacers, but this will increase wear and tear on CV joints and CV boots. Not to mention suspension components.

Im trying to make it simple. But I dont under stand the question.

[TUFF IFS LUX]

Lifting your truck gives you more room inside and under the wheel arches allowing you to fit larger diameter tyres or wider depending on your preference, thus raising the centre of the diff higher off the ground to enable you to go over obstacle easier without bottoming out on them.

So whats the big deal with bumpstops?

Who says you need changing them in this scenario?

Bumpstops will only be needed to be modified if the larger tyres are hitting the top of the inner guard when the vehicle isn't even fully flexed yet, thus protecting the tyre from fouling on the body work, with a longer bump stop.

Is this what you are refering too?

I think that it is also a little bit off topic as the thread is about what is the max size tyre on an IFS Lux, not what bumpstops tickle your fancy!!!

[lukethedork]

Ok, so let's say that when your suspension is fully compressed and on the bumpstop there is 20" from the center of the hub to the top of the guard, So if you had 4" lifted coil springs, when they are fully compressed there will still only be 20" of clearance from the center of the hub to the top of the guard and you will still be faced with the same rubbing as if you had no lift at all. Another difference is that this will occur less often, but it will still rub when fully compressed.

Luke.

edit: Because he said and I quote "33inch will fit only with a 2inch suspension and 2 inch body lift." Why would you need a 2 inch suspension lift to fit these tires, if your bumpstops will still be in the same place and there will be the same distance from the hub to the guard when fully compressed? /edit

edit again: When figuring out whether tires will fit or not, you should think of the car as if it had NO coils/leafs in it and it were sitting with the bumpstops on the chassis. That is how you work out whether it will rub or not. The only way then to fit larger tires would be to make the bumpstops longer increasing the distance between the hub and guard. /edit

[02-SR5]

Lukethedork,

I sort of get what you mean now. If you take out the spring (coil/torsion/leaf) and sat the car on the bump stops, you will still have the same amount of space from the centre of the hub to the top of the wheel arch. Am I on the correct path, please correct me if Im wrong. So by raising the suspension, you will gain the extra clearance between the bumpstops, but when the suspension travels up, it will still have the same clearance as before, am I correct.

To answer your question, honestly, I dunno, Ive never had that problem. I suppose you can make a longer bumpstop maybe....

Rob

[v6hilux]

lukethedork

With what you say about fully compressed suspension on a standard IFS Hilux, it is that situation that results in tyre rub on the guards and body. Therefore, we are limited to tyre size in this case. Trimming bump stops for suspension UP travel will only make the situation worse. The only 2 solutions are to either have a banana shaped upper control arm or upper ball joint spacers to lower the axle relative to the chassis/body.

[02-SR5]

or do a body lift.

or, install a after market suspension kit like the snake racing, it lowers everything from the chassis 4inches, so you wont have any rubbing issues, as it will lower the bump stops too.

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h156/02SRI/Picture083.jpg

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h156/02SRI/Picture082.jpg

[boof]

Luke your point is relative on trucks that articulate. An IFS does not winding bars up 50mm actually decreases travel not increase like a 4" coil does. You will alaso find most Lux leafs with a 50mm lift do not achieve any extra up travel either. The simple fact is you will get less rubbing with 2" lift in an IFS when bigger tyres are fitted. Put it this way my 35s would rub a whole lot more if I removed my 2" suspension lift ;)

[lukethedork]

V6hilux, What I was saying is that you should LENGTHEN the bumpstops, not shorten them.

Boof, and you other guys, are you telling me that your trucks front suspension does not rest on the bumpstops when the full weight of your truck is on it? (as much as can be) ie. when your cross axled
Or what about when you hit a big bump? Does it hit the bumpstops then? If it does not then I would suggest that your suspension is too hard for the load that you have.
Well maybe with these particular vehicles you guys run them with very heavy torsion bars, but usually if you wanted to fit larger tires (even on an IFS) you would lengthen the bumpstops.

I have noticed that there seems to be a lack of attention to bumpstops here in Australia when people are fitting larger tires. If you lengthen your Bumpstops by 2" it will be equivilent to a 2" bodylift interms of fitting larger tires.
Of course you should only lengthen your bumpstops if you also get longer springs.

Go check out some of the American Jeep forums and you will find all you need to know about what bumpstopping is, and how it effects your car.

Sorry about the misunderstanding, as I believed you were wrong.
Luke.

[boof]

Luke you are more than entitled to your opinion and yes I understand what you are saying and also the bumpstopping as I have read about it also.

The point is that extending the bumpstops wont help you fit larger tyres it will stop tyres hitting guards on compression but it wont lift the guard away from the tyre. Lifting the suspension or winding the torsion bars up decreases specifically uptravel while lifting the vehicle in effect it is similiar to lengthening a bumpstop as you lose the uptravel that you lift the vehicle this is why Rob refers to it the way it does. As for the rear the standard setup does not fully compress so you do not need to lengthen bumpstops as the tyre wont reach that high anyway.

[lukethedork]

Your rear end doesn't completely compress? I must admit that mine only does when i have a little load it, 4 spare rims/tires is enough to make it fully compress when offroad. But even empty it still comes close to the bumpstops while offroad.
Can I ask why you would have your rear suspension set up so that it doesn't fully compress? If its too fit larger tires then you should still bumpstop properly, otherwhise if you have it loaded up one time it may compress more and cause rubbing.

Luke.

[boof]

Your rear end doesn't completely compress? I must admit that mine only does when i have a little load it, 4 spare rims/tires is enough to make it fully compress when offroad. But even empty it still comes close to the bumpstops while offroad.
Can I ask why you would have your rear suspension set up so that it doesn't fully compress? If its too fit larger tires then you should still bumpstop properly, otherwhise if you have it loaded up one time it may compress more and cause rubbing.

Luke.

Because its a 1 ton ute with hard springs. If you start softening springs it can affect other things, you have to remember most people use these things as dual purpose and off road improvements almost always mean detriment to on road charateristics. I personally cannot make mine flex as the V8 twists the crap out of it now and soft springs would only make it worse.

No offence but we are only going around in circles and its getting a bit pointless. ;)

[Synergy]

hey gaz, would 4.8's run 37's? nicely? for a 02 xcab lux? :D

[boof]

hey gaz, would 4.8's run 37's? nicely? for a 02 xcab lux? :D


Yep but if you want 37s you will either need a grinder or more lift. And you will become cop bait.

[tdpete]

heres a pic of my mates with 2" bodylift and 32s on 17s it looks great imo. And he is the one who isnt doing his ratios.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/mg_ellis1/Other%204x4s/darrenscar004res.jpg

hey boof
thats a pritty tidy rig you posted i know its your mates but
do you have the tyre info as in size and model

also got a side on picture !

cheers pete

[boof]

Its got 17" M/T Classic IIs with the equivalent size 32" to suit. Body lift we did and Ryano did the rims and tyres.

This is as close to a side on pic I have

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/mg_ellis1/Other%204x4s/darrenscar002res.jpg

[Silver_STR]

Its got 17" M/T Classic IIs with the equivalent size 32" to suit. Body lift we did and Ryano did the rims and tyres.

This is as close to a side on pic I have

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a181/mg_ellis1/Other%204x4s/darrenscar002res.jpg

hey im thinking of geting these wheels on my d22, just wanted to ask you how do you lock the front hubs? there seems to be center caps on.

[Courts InSession]

My hilux scrubs badly with 31" tyres at standard height. At least I think it's standard height! Everyone says 31" tyres fit a IFS hilux no problems without a lift but well, if you want proof thats not always the case i'd be happy to show you my rig.

Tyres are 31x10.5x15" goodyear wrangler mtr's. Not the best pic, its rolling a little towards the drivers side. It scrubs badly around the mudflap area. Even with the flaps removed it scrubs. Not cool. I have to run the torsion bars cranked to stop my tyres getting chewed out.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8057/hiluxip5.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hiluxip5.jpg)

[D1cko]

its enough to make a bloke go back to commodores.

this is something that needs to be sorted definativly (sp?)

[02-SR5]

My hilux scrubs badly with 31" tyres at standard height. At least I think it's standard height! Everyone says 31" tyres fit a IFS hilux no problems without a lift but well, if you want proof thats not always the case i'd be happy to show you my rig.

Tyres are 31x10.5x15" goodyear wrangler mtr's. Not the best pic, its rolling a little towards the drivers side. It scrubs badly around the mudflap area. Even with the flaps removed it scrubs. Not cool. I have to run the torsion bars cranked to stop my tyres getting chewed out.

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8057/hiluxip5.th.jpg (http://img89.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hiluxip5.jpg)

Sorry to here mate. You are the first Ive heard about on this.

Do you know what offset rim you are running, if you are running a 15x8 rim with a cruiser offset (pretty common sunnrasia rim) then they will rub. If you are running a IFS 15x7 inch rim, then I dont know the answer.

[02-SR5]

hey im thinking of geting these wheels on my d22, just wanted to ask you how do you lock the front hubs? there seems to be center caps on.

The SR5 Hilux comes with automatic front hubs. If you have manual hubs, you can leave the centre caps out.

[Courts InSession]

02-SR5, you might be onto something there. I can't remember if it was a hilux or a cruiser that the rims came off initially. Are there any codes on the sunny's to indicate the offset?

**edit**
Just checked mine, only marking on the rim is 7JX15. Does that mean 7"x15" rim? Anyone know how to decipher these codes :D

Is there a measurement that I can take to compare to others as far as height goes? When im adjusting my height I go on the distance between the top of the rim and the gaurd. Maybe the torsion bars on my hilux were sagged when I fitted the tyres and it wasn't actually at standard height, now with the bars wound up a bit it's back closer to standard clearances? It's a theory anyway. Looking at it, I think its higher than stock luxes so i'm not really convinced.

[02-SR5]

Yep, 15x7 sounds about right, still cant work out why they are still rubbing. I was running 31 BFG on standard 15x7 SR5 alloy, with absalute no rubbing at all with no lift.