3rzfe 2.7 turbo

[KUSTOM V840]

Hi Guys,
I'm looking at turboing my 2.7 Hilux and was wondering if anyone has done this conversion or could give me any advice? I have looked at toymods forums for some info but their tech talk is way out of my leauge! I'm used to V8's and Holley carbs!!

Thanks in advance, Troy. :truck: :drink:

[Courts InSession]

Fairly sure there is a workshop on the gold coast that do an 800hp turbo kit for the 3rz!!!

I have thought of turboing mine, would need a fairly small turbo so there isnt much lag and that would choke it in a sense up top. I rarely rev mine past 3500rpm so im thinking a supercharger might be more appropriate.

From the limited info ive found on the topic it would appear the standard 2.7 bottom end is quite strong and will handle about 0.5bar without letting go.

[KUSTOM V840]

I rang Mike Vine turbo's a few days ago and for his stage 1 kit, drive in drive out $11K! Thats a decompressed block, non intercooled, fuel management system, 2nd set of injectors to kick in on full boost, boost of 7 to 10psi, full 3" stainless exhaust. Alot of dollars but it sounds like a good system. From the homework that I hve done so far a T3 or T4 Garret seems to be the go for these motors. Decompressing the motor seems like it should be done for it to be reliable and trouble free... I would like to know what parts are the best to fit up and I might start buying them bit by bit to expand the cost.

[boof]

A mate is in the process of building one capable of 1000HP. Mike Vine does do some great work I have used his stuff in the past and have never been dissapointed.

[HDJ105]

Troy,

I believe the 2.7 is very similar in design to the 1FZ-FE 4.5L used in the Landcruiser, and as such should lend itself well to forced induction.

I think you really need to work out what you want out of it power wise at the end of the day. Personally I wouldn't want to decompress it and rely on big boost because it will end up being a slug off boost and peaky in delivery.

I'd put the decompression $ towards the intercooler instead, and live with maybe less peak HP but a wider spread of useable torque and greater efficiency.

[boof]

I beleive his Hilux is 2wd not 4wd so low end power isnt as much of an issue.

[KUSTOM V840]

Troy,

I believe the 2.7 is very similar in design to the 1FZ-FE 4.5L used in the Landcruiser, and as such should lend itself well to forced induction.

I think you really need to work out what you want out of it power wise at the end of the day. Personally I wouldn't want to decompress it and rely on big boost because it will end up being a slug off boost and peaky in delivery.

I'd put the decompression $ towards the intercooler instead, and live with maybe less peak HP but a wider spread of useable torque and greater efficiency.

Sounds good advice mate. If and when I go ahead with the turbo I will just install a fairly low boost, not have to touch the ECU and injectors etc. Then If (only a matter of time) I want more boost, hp I will upgrade the ECU fuel and up the boost. Maybe then I will decompress it.

Thanks for your advice, the more the better!
Troy.

[KUSTOM V840]

I beleive his Hilux is 2wd not 4wd so low end power isnt as much of an issue.

I could want a bit of low end power as I tow a double horse float for the Mrs every now and then..... hard decision to make!

[Matt-lux]

WHy not look at a supercharger? I had a look on the toymod website the other day and there was some info on this on there but as you said before a bit over my head. Also wondering if anyone has had any success with just an upgraded ecu?

[landcrusier ute]

those hiluix motors with a turbo of chager would fly

[Marc 1]

WHy not look at a supercharger? I had a look on the toymod website the other day and there was some info on this on there but as you said before a bit over my head. Also wondering if anyone has had any success with just an upgraded ecu?

Unless an engine is turbo/supercharged I've heard the gains you can make are pretty small. You'd be better putting your money toward a decent header/exhaust setup and a cool air intake.

[Matt-lux]

Thats what I thought. I am looking at the options as I need a new exhaust at the moment anyways. It's always good when someone asks the question before you do. Also I think Boof said earlier he was looking at a supercharger system earlier and was looking at about $3000. Which in the territory would be $5000 which is a lot cheeper than $11,000. Thats a fully paid engine swap with nothing to do yourself. You would probably even have something left for other toys.

Matt

[KUSTOM V840]

those hiluix motors with a turbo charger would fly
YES they do, check this out! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uU8iFKQuAWU

Unless an engine is turbo/supercharged I've heard the gains you can make are pretty small. You'd be better putting your money toward a decent header/exhaust setup and a cool air intake.

Homework is they key here I think. I will put every possible option up against each other on paper and see how it goes. It will be definatley be getting a exhaust system and cool air intake to start and when the dollars are there I will look at some sort of forced induction. In the mean time its all research.

[Celt's]

hey kustom great ques. Have recently been talking with Boof about doing either a turbo/scharger kit. Will be reading more, hopefully you get the info we all seem to be after. They are a great engine though hey.

[Courts InSession]

Troy,

I believe the 2.7 is very similar in design to the 1FZ-FE 4.5L used in the Landcruiser, and as such should lend itself well to forced induction.

I think you really need to work out what you want out of it power wise at the end of the day. Personally I wouldn't want to decompress it and rely on big boost because it will end up being a slug off boost and peaky in delivery.

I'd put the decompression $ towards the intercooler instead, and live with maybe less peak HP but a wider spread of useable torque and greater efficiency.

My sediments exactly. Whats the point of putting big t04's when we are mainly wanting our power to be under 4k? The thing wont be on boost until 4k! Im at a loss to what you get for $11k from Mike Vine, an intercooler is worth dick all these days and to charge so much for a non intercooled turbo conversion is criminal.

He does do great work but I think that is grossly overpriced personally. All for turbo convesions but for me personally I dont think its suited to a 4wd hilux, id much rather a nice blower thats going to have power ontap from 0rpm !

[KUSTOM V840]

hey kustom great ques. Have recently been talking with Boof about doing either a turbo/scharger kit. Will be reading more, hopefully you get the info we all seem to be after. They are a great engine though hey.

Just found this http://www.capa.com.au/kits_toyota.htm

[KUSTOM V840]

My sediments exactly. Whats the point of putting big t04's when we are mainly wanting our power to be under 4k? The thing wont be on boost until 4k! Im at a loss to what you get for $11k from Mike Vine, an intercooler is worth dick all these days and to charge so much for a non intercooled turbo conversion is criminal.

He does do great work but I think that is grossly overpriced personally. All for turbo convesions but for me personally I dont think its suited to a 4wd hilux, id much rather a nice blower thats going to have power ontap from 0rpm !

As BOOF pointed out my hilux is 2wd. I'm just after a bit more power with out spending a fortune. I have just found that Capa do a supercharger kit for the 2.7 for 7k. It takes the little motor to about 140kw. Not too bad, still a few bucks to shell out.

[Courts InSession]

Ahh ok my mistake, pretty safe to assume you were talkin about a 4wd given the forum your on :D

In that case a ball bearing garret gt3040 would be the way to go. There was another one cant quite remember the code, mighta been gt28r, could be a really good match to the 2.7.

Turbo: $2k
Wastegate: $500
Custom manifold: $500
3" exhaust: $500-$1000 depending on quality and where u go
Management: $800 for something like a unichip upto 3k for full aftermarket management like haltech, possibly autronic for that price
Injectors & Fuel pump: $600ish

Thats close to 7k and u havnt touched the motor, i'd say it would go bang with much more then 8psi through it, I guess you can see where mike vine gets his 11k from when you throw in labor. Forgot to mention an intercooler too! Id be looking at an engine conversion, one of the supra donks maybe?

Be able to get a halfcut for $2000-3000 then its just a matter of mating it all up, heaps of conversion kits available for these, its definately been done before.

Good luck mate!!

ps: im loving that capa kit, definately giving me some ideas for the lux! Be interested to hear what you actually get for your $6290, if its just a blower and some intake piping they can stick that :D The fact that they are talking about extra injectors makes me think theres no real management involved, just throwing in some random extra fuel and hoping for the best. Have emailed them to find out what is actually contained in the "kit" will post back with details!

[KUSTOM V840]

Ahh ok my mistake, pretty safe to assume you were talkin about a 4wd given the forum your on :D

In that case a ball bearing garret gt3040 would be the way to go. There was another one cant quite remember the code, mighta been gt28r, could be a really good match to the 2.7.

Turbo: $2k
Wastegate: $500
Custom manifold: $500
3" exhaust: $500-$1000 depending on quality and where u go
Management: $800 for something like a unichip upto 3k for full aftermarket management like haltech, possibly autronic for that price
Injectors & Fuel pump: $600ish

Thats close to 7k and u havnt touched the motor, i'd say it would go bang with much more then 8psi through it, I guess you can see where mike vine gets his 11k from when you throw in labor. Forgot to mention an intercooler too! Id be looking at an engine conversion, one of the supra donks maybe?

Be able to get a halfcut for $2000-3000 then its just a matter of mating it all up, heaps of conversion kits available for these, its definately been done before.

Good luck mate!!

ps: im loving that capa kit, definately giving me some ideas for the lux! Be interested to hear what you actually get for your $6290, if its just a blower and some intake piping they can stick that :D The fact that they are talking about extra injectors makes me think theres no real management involved, just throwing in some random extra fuel and hoping for the best. Have emailed them to find out what is actually contained in the "kit" will post back with details!

Thats some cool info mate. Your wrong assupmtion is forgiven, I posted this on here as I have got my landcruiser build up etc on here and I thought someone might have had a petrol Lux. Mike did mention that the management was a haltech unit to run the second set of injectors at boost. I can see where he gets 11k from, its just that the ute itself will only owe me 11k once on the road! Cant justify it to myself to spend that much. I'm thinking of one of those capa kits myself in the future. I have been told these motors can take up to about 6 to 7 psi boost and not have to touch the motor, which gives about a 30% increase in power...

Check this out for the supercharger as well, its in the US but... http://www.toyotacatalog.net/M1WebGear/ProductDetails.aspx?PartUniqueID=611CD3EA-8BC1-4840-A0EF-95D113F1E6E9

Here is the page for the Turbo kit too..... I have emailed them a few times to get info and pricing to Australia with no answer in about 4 days.... but here it is.. http://www.toyotacatalog.net/M1WebGear/ProductDetails.aspx?PartUniqueID=6CAAA9C5-63B7-48E5-8509-E7B8048472F5

Cheers, Troy. :drink:

[HDJ105]

Troy,

From your web and build up pages you're obviously no dill.

I reckon you'd be best getting someone to spec a turbo for you (maybe even look for suitable s/h turbo off a similar size engine) and supply the exhaust manifold, buy an intercooler (eg. ebay), then you could mount the intercooler, fabricate all the plumbing and then take it somewhere to get the fuelling and tune sorted.

Should save you quite a few $.

[Courts InSession]

You could use a turbo off the rb25det. Thats off a 2.5litre straight 6, should suit the 2.7 quite well. They are ball bearing, round about the size of a t03. I had alot of problems with these turbos as they have a ceramic exhaust wheel, this only becomes a problem when you try and push the boost past 1bar so it would probably suit you quite well.

I had the exhaust wheel sheer clean off on 2 of these when the boost when past 15! Should post a pic, its quite amusing. They would set ya back about $500 5 years ago, should be cheaper now. Mind you turbos and other bits seem to be more expensive since the fast n furious craze has taken over :D

One other thing i'd be looking to simply upgrade your 4 injectors rather then adding in another 4, less to go wrong and way easier to wire up if your thinking of doing it yourself. I wired my haltech myself and just got the tune done professionally, saved a motsa.

[KUSTOM V840]

Troy,

From your web and build up pages you're obviously no dill.

I reckon you'd be best getting someone to spec a turbo for you (maybe even look for suitable s/h turbo off a similar size engine) and supply the exhaust manifold, buy an intercooler (eg. ebay), then you could mount the intercooler, fabricate all the plumbing and then take it somewhere to get the fuelling and tune sorted.

Should save you quite a few $.

Cheers Mate,
Thats what I was thinking. I just have to understand or work out how I limit the boost to say 6 to 7psi so I dont have to touch my ECU to start with then later on up the boost and play with the tune/fuel side of things. Is it the type of turbo that changes the boost or can this be done another way?

Thanks, Troy.

[Matt-lux]

The links you put up are quite interesting. The bolt on supercharger especially. They seem to have everything in the US don't they...

[KUSTOM V840]

The links you put up are quite interesting. The bolt on supercharger especially. They seem to have everything in the US don't they...

Yeah the buggers, still searching for kits here. Its like window shopping in your own lounge !

[KUSTOM V840]

You could use a turbo off the rb25det. Thats off a 2.5litre straight 6, should suit the 2.7 quite well. They are ball bearing, round about the size of a t03. I had alot of problems with these turbos as they have a ceramic exhaust wheel, this only becomes a problem when you try and push the boost past 1bar so it would probably suit you quite well.

I had the exhaust wheel sheer clean off on 2 of these when the boost when past 15! Should post a pic, its quite amusing. They would set ya back about $500 5 years ago, should be cheaper now. Mind you turbos and other bits seem to be more expensive since the fast n furious craze has taken over :D

One other thing i'd be looking to simply upgrade your 4 injectors rather then adding in another 4, less to go wrong and way easier to wire up if your thinking of doing it yourself. I wired my haltech myself and just got the tune done professionally, saved a motsa.

Thanks Mate,
I'm gettin alot of variables here. it will be very hard to make my mind up on what road I will take eventually. Thanks for all the info guys, keep up the great advice!
Cheers, Troy,.

[HDJ105]

Cheers Mate,
Thats what I was thinking. I just have to understand or work out how I limit the boost to say 6 to 7psi so I dont have to touch my ECU to start with then later on up the boost and play with the tune/fuel side of things. Is it the type of turbo that changes the boost or can this be done another way?

Thanks, Troy.

6 or 7 psi is still a lot of extra air in a petrol, and if there's one thing you don't want to do in a petrol engine is run it too lean under load, as the combustion temps will skyrocket and bits of molten piston will try and make their way out of the engine via the turbo. :cry: Some ECU's will be able to sense the additional air mass and compensate with additional fuel, some will be maxed out with as little as a couple of psi.

Most turbo's will have an internal wastegate, adjusting the wastegate (internal or seperate external) will limit the max. amount of boost generated.

[boof]

When I looked into both turbos and superchargers, I found that the standard engine will run 5-6psi with a unichip or similiar controlling the fuel and ignition. You cannot change the Toyota computer at all not even a chip change. Also with the type of air meter the engine runs it means you will need a unichip also.

The cheapest option I found was to get a secondhand s/c off ebay. SC14 or similiar off a corolla. About 2-500 then I was quoted $1200 to get it fitted up. Add the 1600 for the fitting and tuning of a unichip and you will have 5-6psi and aorund 150Kw for 3g. The TRD and Capa kits are a ripoff. They give you no more than 5-6psi of boost and they are around 8g by the time its all done.

I also liked that with a s/c if you ever had a problem just change the belts and its out of service and you can still get home.

[Courts InSession]

Yeh im with you boof, those kits are way overpriced. You are right on the money on the management issue, any sort of forced induction requires changes to the ecu or it will pop your donk quick smart!

You might be able to get away without changing the fuel pump and injectors by fitting a rising rate fuel pressure regulator, such as a malpassi. They go for around $160 and will increase your fuel pressure as the boost increases.

Definately got me thinkin now! Mrs won't be happy hheh

[boof]

A malpassi apparently wont work due to the airflow meter. I looked into it like you I was into performance cars before the Lux. I found the cheapest way was the unichip although if you wanted you could go full aftermarket management. I like that the charger and unichip could be removed for sale and reused on the next vehicle.

[KUSTOM V840]

I have been chatting on the toymods forum and have been offered a full bolt on setup, t3 garret, stainless mainifold, intercooled, haltec computer and all the other bits and peices. Said parts alone cost 6 to 7k. Thats not without the plumbing from turbo to intercooler and back. He said to make him an offer, what do you think its all worth?? 5k?? He reckons it has only done 2500kms!

[boof]

5 sounds fair offer him 4 and work up to 5 :)

[KUSTOM V840]

Sounds like a plan. I'm off overseas for work again in a couple of days so I will think about it and might make an offer when I'm home.... mrs will go off prob!!

[Celt's]

When I looked into both turbos and superchargers, I found that the standard engine will run 5-6psi with a unichip or similiar controlling the fuel and ignition. You cannot change the Toyota computer at all not even a chip change. Also with the type of air meter the engine runs it means you will need a unichip also.

The cheapest option I found was to get a secondhand s/c off ebay. SC14 or similiar off a corolla. About 2-500 then I was quoted $1200 to get it fitted up. Add the 1600 for the fitting and tuning of a unichip and you will have 5-6psi and aorund 150Kw for 3g. The TRD and Capa kits are a ripoff. They give you no more than 5-6psi of boost and they are around 8g by the time its all done.

I also liked that with a s/c if you ever had a problem just change the belts and its out of service and you can still get home.
Yeah boof you've got me sold on this option hey!

[Courts InSession]

A malpassi apparently wont work due to the airflow meter. I looked into it like you I was into performance cars before the Lux. I found the cheapest way was the unichip although if you wanted you could go full aftermarket management. I like that the charger and unichip could be removed for sale and reused on the next vehicle.

Yeah I definately would recommend some sort of management, unichip is reasonably cheap, would probably get change from a grand after its installed and tuned.

Why wouldnt the malpassi work on the 3rz?I havnt looked into it, just speculating. I had one on my rb25det in the early days before I could afford management, these motors also have air flow meters but no map sensor. It would simply increase the fuel pressure forcing more fuel through the injectors while they are open so in effect your getting more juice into the cylinder even though the injectors are staying open the same length of time.

I think the 3rz has a map sensor as well as an AFM, is this the case? Is this the reason that it wont work? Im a little puzzled as to why it won't work though I must say as they are basically made for motors equipped with AFM's as a bandaid solution to underfuelling.

Cheers
Brad

PS: 5k sounds like the absolute max i'd pay for the gear mentioned above, 2500km's or 250 000km's, its still 2nd hand. 2nd hand t3 is worth all of $300, intercooler new is about the same, manifold new $500. It would want to be a good quality ecu with a complete loom and all sensors if your forking out that sort of coin.

[Byrnesy]

Gidday All,

new to this forum but been around fourbies for 20 years.

I have been grapling with similiar issues with my 3RZ-FE powered Hilux.
Came across this yesterday, see link.

Alpine Developments (http://www.alpine-developments.us/toyotaproducts.html)

Bolt on and drive away:thumb:

I would go ahead with it but with mine having 200 000 klms on it I think I would need a full engine rebuild first. Mine is a 97 and would run the 4lb boost kit.

THought it might help, and the dollar is pretty good at the moment.

[KUSTOM V840]

Came across this a little while ago.....

Turbo kit forsale click here (http://www.boostcruising.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=208756&pid=1281037846&st=0&#entry1281037846)

[Matt-lux]

Thought I would bump this to the top again. I have still been grappling with Boofs idea and was wondering if anyone has committed yet?

[RRVogue]

I'm still interested in this thread. I have a '97 2.7 Prado and would love more power.
How do turbo's and superchargers go with LPG?

[A1 Mech]

bit of a hijack.

I believe If you have the correct ignition setup and an aftermarket ECU tuned for LPG they can handle LPG fine. I am also contimplating a turbo 3RZ as a replacment for my 3LT diesel now so If anyone knows of any good info lets get this thread goin again