NSW NPWS are at it again.

[Corindi]

Pulled up at a mates camp to have a beer with him yeaterday and noticed he had a nice load of big firewood in the back of his ute. Knowing that he is a logger (he cuts trees down for a living) and that he is staying a couple of weeks, I didn't take much notice. Then he started to tell me about how NP's stopped him and asked where he got the wood from and told him that it was an offence to have a chainsaw inside a NP!He said to them, "been bringing my own firewood here for 27 years and the saw is always on the truck", but they told him not to bring the saw back any more. What a bloody joke, fair enough he shouldn't start it in the NP, but just it being there? Oh' and while I'm up here on my high horse. What is it with generators not being allowed to be used? Sure is a lot quieter and environmentally friendly than starting and running a car for a couple of hours a day to re-charge. Next they wont be allowed in the gate. Lastly...and this is one I just remembered because i am P'd off with them. At Xmas I was told to move the boat from the car park because it was for cars only. I had my car in our camp site using the inverter off the battery to run the TV for the kids. They told me to put the car in the car park and the boat in our campsite. RRRRRRRRR they know how to P people off I tell ya. I'd like to say I feel better now, but I feel worse. Are things just going to get worse with more and more controll?

[crawla]

I'd tell em' to stick the rule up their backside, what happens if you need it to clear a track to get out of somewhere? As for the generators I would love to bring one in to a NP and be told not to use it.........I would say 'no worries'.....I'll use the vehicle and start it in front of em' and let em' know it will be running for the next 5 hours! They have no idea.

[Thirsty2454]

D!ckhe@ds with four years at uni but have NO common sence make up these rules.

[Ragster]

As far as generators go, I think it is because not all are fitted with spark arrestors. I have read elsewhere the Honda "EU" series are allowed cause they are fitted with arrestors...........(Don't quote me, tho!!)

[Corindi]

I'd tell em' to stick the rule up their backside, what happens if you need it to clear a track to get out of somewhere? As for the generators I would love to bring one in to a NP and be told not to use it.........I would say 'no worries'.....I'll use the vehicle and start it in front of em' and let em' know it will be running for the next 5 hours! They have no idea. Your right, they have no idea of common sense, just have a rule book and thats it. They have walked into my camp while the car was running and didn't say a thing. That also annoys me, they walk into everyones camp site and look around too much. They took photos of a mates camp at christmas, without asking.

[Corindi]

D!ckhe@ds with four years at uni but have NO common sence make up these rules.
You hit the nail on the head, and on top of that we get this all mighty power trip that realy gets to me.

[Corindi]

As far as generators go, I think it is because not all are fitted with spark arrestors. I have read elsewhere the Honda "EU" series are allowed cause they are fitted with arrestors...........(Don't quote me, tho!!)
Not where i camp, their policy states no generators and I have heard of lots of people being told to shut them down, mind you, there is no signs to say this though. http://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/PDFs/pom_final_Yuraygir_np_and_sca.pdf

[Murf67]

Gday Dave

I am going fishing here;)

Next time I camp near you I will get out the old 5KVA gen set with the broken exhaust, face it your way because I don't like the sound of it then proceed to let it run all day and into the wee hours of the morning with its stinking fumes from the worn out rings, :eek: :p ;) :D

Nah I will keep the solar panel thanks

But I will take an inverter gen to Fraser to keep the fridge and freezer going though

where do you draw the line on noise and fumes that will affect your fellow campers?????????

keep some places gen free and others that you are allowed to run them? (more bloody rules)

Quote from the NPWS link you posted(Should ongoing environmental impacts be unacceptable, vehicle access and
camping may be further modified, restricted or prohibited at Pebbly Beach.
The following conditions apply to use and occupation of all camping areas in the
planning area:
- Persons must not camp for a continuous period of more than 21 days unless
signposted otherwise, and
- Generators are prohibited.)

Cheers Murf

[crawla]

I do sort of agree with Murf there, personally I don't use a generator and do know some that will run a generator of a night for some bloody fluoro lights. You have all kinds of campers out there, knowing my luck I would be the one stuck next to the bloke who did that. As for chainsaws they are a necessary piece of recovery equipment. We were camping at Yerranderie one night which was hit by a massive storm. The road out was blocked by 2 big gums......40km out. We were on the Yerranderie side and a lady who lived near there was on the other. What are you supposed to do.......call the NPWS, BWA HAHAHAHAHA! Yeah right, I'll keep me chainsaw thanks. It took 10 minutes per tree to cut through enough to drive around the edge of them.

[Corindi]

Gday Dave

I am going fishing here;)

Next time I camp near you I will get out the old 5KVA gen set with the broken exhaust, face it your way because I don't like the sound of it then proceed to let it run all day and into the wee hours of the morning with its stinking fumes from the worn out rings, :eek: :p ;) :D

Nah I will keep the solar panel thanks

But I will take an inverter gen to Fraser to keep the fridge and freezer going though

where do you draw the line on noise and fumes that will affect your fellow campers?????????

keep some places gen free and others that you are allowed to run them? (more bloody rules)

Quote from the NPWS link you posted(Should ongoing environmental impacts be unacceptable, vehicle access and
camping may be further modified, restricted or prohibited at Pebbly Beach.
The following conditions apply to use and occupation of all camping areas in the
planning area:
- Persons must not camp for a continuous period of more than 21 days unless
signposted otherwise, and
- Generators are prohibited.)

Cheers Murf
G'day Murf, I hadn't realy thought about it that way? I was that p'd off with what stewart said about his saw and wombat getting pulled over on the beach and told to slow down, that I just attacked them. I think if anyone did that to me, their genny wouldn't start the next day. Maybe the rule should be...... use of <2 Kva gennys is permitted in daylight hour for the purpose of recharging batteries only? not sure but it is a problem and I don't think that banning them all together is the answer.

On a lighter note, we are going out the beach sometime between Thurs and Sunday depending on the weather. When is your crew heading out? Dave

[Murf67]

G'day Murf, I hadn't realy thought about it that way? I was that p'd off with what stewart said about his saw and wombat getting pulled over on the beach and told to slow down, that I just attacked them. I think if anyone did that to me, their genny wouldn't start the next day. Maybe the rule should be...... use of <2 Kva gennys is permitted in daylight hour for the purpose of recharging batteries only? not sure but it is a problem and I don't think that banning them all together is the answer.

On a lighter note, we are going out the beach sometime between Thurs and Sunday depending on the weather. When is your crew heading out? Dave

I am easy when heading out, was thinking of taking the boat out on the weekend, depends more on what camp sites available. (and weather)

I have been chipped a few times with loads of wood out Pebbly over the years but nothing too serious, more I hope you didn't get that wood from the park stuff.

Cheers Murf

[pmturnbull]

Christmas I was at Chinchester State Forest and had been there for a couple of days when we got back from a little drive some guys with a caravan parked right next to us and then alnight they sat inside there van watching dvds or tv running a generator which was outside for us to listen to while we sat around our camp fire.

Idiots like this should go to the caravan park as they miss the point of camping at 12.30 in the morning when they shut it off I gave them a clap. I think it is easier to tell all people not to use generators and I don't no the rules on state forest but if it was national park I would have told them to shut it off..

[amazac]

NSW NPWS simply have no idea about running the parks. A chainsaw is a safety tool in certain areas because of the need to clear tracks. I will carry a chainsaw in NP's for track clearing if I believe it might be needed. Our very first offroa experience taught us that.

The wife and I were doing a paid driver training course over a weekend which included a drive into Bendethra from the western side. Overnight there were 100km plus winds which resulted in 10 medium to very large trees that needed clearing on the way out, one tree was that large that it couldn't be cut so we had to build a diverson around it. Our driving instructer didn't have a chainsaw due to NP's rules, luckliy another group that left the same time as us had one. As it was it took 5hrs to drive back out, we wouldn't have got out if there wasn't a chainsaw. The number 1 thing we learned was carry a chainsaw.

As for all the other issues like conditions of camping areas and toilets etc, I'd better not rant on as I'd be here for hours.

[Bender.]

Hi All,

I understand that a chainsaw is a valid recovery tool for removing fallen trees and have used one myself many times but I was camped in Yengo National Park at Mogo camp ground a couple of years ago and had the pleasurable experience of one camper (yes he drove 4WD) who decided that it was OK to use his chain saw within 30m of the camp ground to remove trees for firewood. We would love to have said something to him but as he cracked his first VB at around 8am and it was now 4pm and he had a chainsaw, we decided refrain, so I can understand why the ranger may have not liked the chainsaw.
Like everything we do, its the minority that stuff it for majority.

[Trojan]

The problem is, how are NPWS to know what your intent is with said chainsaw. Just because you say it's for clearing a track, or not going to use it, how are they supposed to know that? Just because you're intentions may not be of ill intent. When asked what your intentions are, it will be the same answer that the guy whose out for some free firewood would give aswell.

So it's easier to just put a blanket ban over them.

[dirtygq]

The problem is, how are NPWS to know what your intent is with said chainsaw. Just because you say it's for clearing a track, or not going to use it, how are they supposed to know that? Just because you're intentions may not be of ill intent. When asked what your intentions are, it will be the same answer that the guy whose out for some free firewood would give aswell.

So it's easier to just put a blanket ban over them.not everyone is as honest and law abiding as some of us,with that said the npws officers have to put up with their fair share of abuse,cleaning up peoples messes and other uninviting jobs.It is not all 4wding and living it up,they have to clean toilets, campgrounds and take rubbish to refuse or barge.They do all this only very average wages (very stretched budgets)and also have to know general handyman skills. We do a lot of qld NPWS service work and i think they need a pat on the back for their efforts.

[nqgu]

I take a very sharp axe. Only ever had one tree too big to cut with axe, so I built a ramp each side of it using logs and rocks.

[BrodieH]

whenever we go camping up the murray my cousin an i always go out with the chainsaw to get our wood, we also use a genny to charge the bats but neither makes much noise so i never saw the o\problem but i suppose some people can get on peoples nerves and make heaps of noise with them,

[Marc 1]

whenever we go camping up the murray my cousin an i always go out with the chainsaw to get our wood, we also use a genny to charge the bats but neither makes much noise so i never saw the o\problem but i suppose some people can get on peoples nerves and make heaps of noise with them,

Chainsaw doesn't make much noise??? Must be some new bit of kit for the SAS...:rolleyes:

[Harb]

Well I will take my chainsaw and genset with me wherever I go regardless of their rules as I consider them both saftey equipment, and until they give me a sat phone and there number so they can come and get me.......they can go to buggery....
I do however respect other campers and only use ther generator at remote sites where I am the only camper.....even then, I went to a lot of trouble to find a quiet one, an EU20i so I can run my invertor welder to do repairs if necessary......
Ithink Gensets should be registered just like cars......tested at NSWNP offices for noise rating and spark supresion etc.......rules would be ok if they gave you a chioce.....I saw some sound proof generator boxes at a 4x4 show, and you could not tell a genset was running inside them.
I do not cut down tree's of any sort that are in a NP though.....unless it is fallen over a track and can't be winched out of the way.......2 of my mates are NP Rangers and they both say they would do the same