Best camp lights

[utedriver]

What do people think are the best camp lights gas or 12 volt LED or fluro?
I use a 12 volt fluro it comes with a hook and a long lead which is handy as long you dont get tangled. Seem to be very hardy takes the knocks and packs well just plug into the ciggie lighter and your away!

[zauronus]

i use a cordless narva led light, about 120 from repco, and brilliant , nice bright light that doesnt attract too many bugs, cordless, lasts for about 10 hours per charge, can buy a 12v charger too, brilliant things. iron man do one too, its in all the 4wd monthly mags and they are a good unit too

[BOG33D]

i use a latern that i bought from a disposal shop it has 6 LEDs in it and also a 8w U tube, you can choose either to have the leds on for small lit areas or the u tube to flood the campsight in light

[DONK]

fluro throws the light out better

[BOG33D]

agreed, i have one of them as well, although for beach fishing the latern comes into its own

[mrbishi]

I prefer using my gaslight.

I have 2 x 12volt 60LED lights that are good if you need a directional beam to light up something specific - the gas lantern tends to light up the entire campsite well.

Cheers,
Jon

[sp0radic]

Is gas noisy?

[oldcourier]

Versalight is a 12 volt fluro, they throw out heaps of light, robust, and use stuuf-all power. we run them for hours of motorbike batteries and the bikes still start in the morning! I think they're 100-120 bucks!
Some of the new LED ones are great too as LED's do use less power. Haven't tried one myself though. :)

[utedriver]

not to bad but I remember you always had to be careful of the mantel (fragile) I also think gas is more dangerous more so if you have kids travelling with you more care is needed

[tariadamar]

i use those 12V halogen ones for gardens works great water proff just need a mpounting point or can be stabed into the ground where needed.

[mrbishi]

Gas isn't noisey at all.

My gas light has a plastic housing that gets packed in such a way as its very rare that a mantle will get broken in transit. In the event that it does I carry around a pack of 3 spares (a whole $5 worth) and it takes about 2 minute to tie a new one on.

It puts out a hell of a lot of warm light and no other lighting is needed usually (I take the LED headlamp into my swag in case I need to stumble out in the middle of the night.)

Cheers,
Jon

[Luxster]

Pirana fluro, there great!

[Reedy]

I have a 12v twin tube cold cathode light, puts out a s*#t load of light and only uses .2 of an amp p/h. Was made by the mother inlaws boyfriend cos he uses them in his boat. It blows wind up my LED and gas lights!!!!!:D

[crawla]

Pirana fluro, there great!

agreed.....dogs ate mine the little bastards so bought another, I prefer the fluoros after using gas.

[Tri_Lon]

i have a gas lantern but last time we used it it attracted too many bugs. we have been experimenting with LED's and fluros. we just got a fluro lantern yesterday to try out this weekend. seems pretty bright in the house in the dark.

[Marc 1]

Stengel 12v Fluoro, lots of light, low current draw .75A, and absolutely no radio interference (they use them in RFDS aircraft fitouts). As to whether the rest of my lights are the 'best'(as per the Thread heading) it's more a case of 'they were cheap' or 'I had one left over': I have a 12V reversing light off a trailer that I use over my kitchen, and a 5w 12v halogen as a reading light in the Shippshape. If all the electricals go kaput I also carry an old Coleman dual fuel light as a backup.

Works for us.

[Jeeps]

I can't stand fluoro's in the bush because they attract so many bugs

[Bazza_rips]

col lite, been around for years and still kick arse!

[Muckinhell]

I use one of those workshop portable lights in a cage with a special bug free bulb that limits the amount attracted to it and a 1000w flood light on the geny and also a rechargable LED lamp/spotlight $35 from bunnings when the geny goes off and also take as backup a small gas light as well....shouldnt be left in the dark with any of that.

[et4wd]

We use solar lights, as in the ones for the garden.

Me and the bro-in-law bought 10 stainless ones for $50 and always take them with us, two each if we are on our own to mark the end of the guy ropes on the swags or all 10 when the girls come with us to light up everything else.

Works great!

Steve.

[woolgoolgaoffroad]

has any one had anything to do with the duel fuel lights ??
how good are they, and how long do you get from the tank of fuel ??

[sudso]

Is gas noisy?Depends who let one rip :D

[sudso]

I can't stand fluoro's in the bush because they attract so many bugsI've used gas lights and fluro's and they all attract bloody bugs but that's alright, the light keeps em away from me.
The bugs dont like kero lanterns much :D

[Marc 1]

has any one had anything to do with the duel fuel lights ??
how good are they, and how long do you get from the tank of fuel ??

Yep, have a Coleman dual fuel light and am very happy with it with one exception. It is easy to light, the mantles (afer the fiddly tying on and charing process) last quite a while before breaking. The light is about that of a 75w light bulb which sounds quite good in a room where the light can bounce off walls and ceiling, but can be a little lost in the bush. It's fairly quiet and half a liter of fuel lasts a good 4 hours plus. BUT we bought the smallest pressure lamp and due to the small size of the pressure tank we find we need to pump it up every 20 to 30 minutes to maintain fuel pressure and therefore light output. The Outlaws have a larger one and they pump it up about once per hour, so the larger ones (not the Northstar's - they are probably overkill) are probably the go.

Now we've got a 5 and a 2 year old and take a camper trailer, we've switched (haha) over to 12v stuff, but the Coleman goes along as the backup.

Cheers, Marc.

[Jeeps]

I prefer dual fuel gear for the following reasons:
1) Reliable
2) Well built
3) I carry a jerry of fuel which i use for the stove or the lanterns or the car.
4) Don't get blocked like gas jets
5) Don't attract as many bugs as fluoro
6) Fully portable around the campsite

I have a 2 mantle and a single mantle dual fuel lanterns as well as my dual fuel stove. The dual fuel lanterns get pumped up and lit on dusk. I also light a large gas light above the camp kitchen. I usually turn the dual fuels down a bit after dinner so they light up the kitchen/dining area with a glow but use bugger all fuel when i do this. I run them for 4-5 hours each night like this and after i pump them up initially on dusk i might pump them up again 2 hours later and that's it. I often get 2 nights from one tank of fuel (1.5L) using them this way.

I have replaced my glass with stainless steel mesh which works great and i carry a few mantles and usually go through one every 2-3 trips. My single mantle dual fuel is coming on 5 years old and didn't work on the last trip and i assume it's the generator which i will be replacing before the next trip. I also have the hard plastic carry/protection cases for them.

[rumpig]

we use 240 volt, 2ft fluros that have been converted to 12 volt with a special conversion kit. the lights throw out just as much light as a 240 volt fluro but draw the same as a normal 12 volter.
also use rechargable ironman led light and rechargable coleman lantern, used to use gas but got sick of breaking the glass on them all the time.

[sp0radic]

Is LED better than flouro?

[Jeeps]

LED uses less power and doesn't attract as many bugs.

[Corindi]

While camping I sent my misses in to buy a new globe for our flouro and she came back with a LED light and a guarantee that it would be 10x brighter, use less power and last longer than our flouro.
I plugged it in and switched it on and it was absolutely useless, it only lit up a patch on the ground about a metre round under it. I took it back.
Not sure what brand flouro I have but from memory it is red, the globe is like a long loop arrangement and it cost about $100. It is also brighter than our gas lantern.

Mate I camp with uses 2 x 240v energy saver gobes through a 150w inverter, has no problems and always a bright site.

[Marc 1]

Is LED better than flouro?

Can be but it'll cost you big bucks.

It also depends on your task. If you are lighting an area they are not the best, most small LED's are focussed over a pretty small area, so you either need lots of them (pointed in many different directions) or you need the Luxeon Star variety. They come in 1, 3 or 5 watt varieties and are pretty awesome in their output, but need a decent diffuser or lense. As a reading light, headlamp or torch the LED's can do a pretty good job on bugger all power, but as a means to light up a campsite, buy a good fluoro ,gas light or dual fuel pressure light.

One other big advantage is that they are virtually unbreakable and should last 100,000hrs or so (unless you overpower them).

[brooksy]

I bought 1 of those new Coleman rechargeable fluro Lanterns. Fully charged it lasts about 4 nights but I just take it with me in the 4wd when going for a drive & use the cig charger that comes with it. Has 2 brightness settings & a night light for the kids or me when I go for those middle of the night walks after being on the grog all day & night :D

I also have a street light that has a standard 240V lead. I haven't used it for a while as you need a generator to run it but for years everybody used to always make sure I brought it as it was the only light the whole camp needed.


brooksy

[sp0radic]

I bought 1 of those new Coleman rechargeable fluro Lanterns. Fully charged it lasts about 4 nights but I just take it with me in the 4wd when going for a drive & use the cig charger that comes with it. Has 2 brightness settings & a night light for the kids or me when I go for those middle of the night walks after being on the grog all day & night :D


Yeah, I bought one of those a few weeks ago. I haven't used it yet.

[grimage]

I have a Pirana/Versa 12v fluro light. Best thing I have bought. It was fantastic. I would recommend one to anyone.

[mrbishi]

I tend to find the 60 LED lights I have cast more a spot - good for doing tasks or lighting up certain areas. Much prefer the gas lantern to generally light up the campsite.

Cheers,
Jon

[Bundy]

I have 2 12v fluros 1 a Colite and the other is a Torpeedo made by Evakool which is the smaller and brighter of the 2. Both run off a jump pack for 4 nights no worries

[sp0radic]

Has anyone tried the ARB flouros? Are they good?

I think they are $80 and I think I'll get one.

[Off road heaven]

col lite, been around for years and still kick arse!
I agree, also the torpedo light. Both great and put out heaps of light. The torpedo is completely water proof (can use under water) And strong. (shows a picture of a 4by running over one)

[campdog]

Get everything before dark and enjoy the light from a fire.but if i need light a fluro is the way to go.

[Unsane]

I have 2 Hella 50W flood/work lights on the hurdle of my tray. Can easily adjust them where you want the light - even into 2 different areas.

Have a simple 4 setting LED/Globe comco head lamp for when cooking over camp over in dark - saves the old torch in mouth drool going into food!

Also a couple of INOVA LED lights. One single AA batt one for $50 - throws out a great long range spotlight. And a key ring version, which is fine for the swag or whatever.

Can't say I use torches much though.

The mandatory 4D Maglite lives in the cockpit.

[Patrolman Pat]

I use 2 Pirahna fluoros, best lights I've had, plus a gas lamp if needed as well.

[Jeeps]

There's just something about the sound that a gas or dual fuel light makes that really means you're camping. It's a stress relief sound. It's just not camping without it :)

[dirtygq]

i have a gas twin mantel light that goes on a coleman bottle ...bloody awesome. Also a pirhana fluro and a coleman twin tube lantern,and then we have twin 550watt spotlights(240 volt) in case of emergencie eg: car repairs or even landing lights for a rescue chopper lol.

[fixa4377]

I have a torpeedo evakool fluro, used it a few times camping but only a few hours,its brilliant and very durable, got it plugged into my rear power running off the main batt, i know it pulls .5 of an amp an hour, ayone know how long it would take to drain your batt?? i know bare all about electrics in the car?? cheers

[XJ Mitch]

iv;e got 6 kero lanterns iv;e had 4 app 15 yrs and they work just fine.they keep the mozzies away to.

[Marc 1]

I have a torpeedo evakool fluro, used it a few times camping but only a few hours,its brilliant and very durable, got it plugged into my rear power running off the main batt, i know it pulls .5 of an amp an hour, ayone know how long it would take to drain your batt?? i know bare all about electrics in the car?? cheers

You've asked about the best 'how long is a piece of string' question here mate. If its running off your starter battery (main batt) then it will depend on how much power your battery needs to have left to start the car.

Given that it is a starter batter it's not designed to be used as a deep cycle unit so it won't have an amp hour rating either - again hard to tell.

What age is the battery? Even a big mutha battery on its last legs won't do you much good either.

The only good thing is that if it only draws half an amp its not going draw much even for 4 or 5 hours use. You could try and run it for increasing lengths of time at home (where you have access to jumper leads etc in case you can't start the car) then leave it a while for the battery to recover(couple of days to a week running depending on distance), then you'll get your answer. BUT in doing so you risk stuffing your battery or shortening its life.

Or there is a kit you can put together from Jaycar that will shut off any appliance once your starter battery has run down to the "enough zap left to start the car" level.

A better solution is to buy a small gell cell battery 18 - 26 Ah and run it off that - no chance of stuffing your starter battery and you could dip much further into the battery capacity (although its not really recommended to really use all the capacity in a battery unless its a NiCad or a NiMh). A 10 watt solar panel would give you roughly half an amp of charge, so for every hour you have the light on at night, you'd need to have the panel in direct sun for the same time the next day. Or you could make up a lead to connect the battery to the car when you are driving to have the alternator charge it.

[fixa4377]

Thankyou marc, your help has been very appreciated, i do have dual battery set up in my cruiser but the rear power outlet is not connected to the 2nd batt yet, i will be this week putting in a fuse box straight off the 2nd batt and connectin the power straight to that, that way it will only ever flatten the 2nd batt, but doubt that as it is a really big sucka! trial and error i guess, you learn from your mistakes, always park on a hill i suppose! cheers :)

[trains]

I have 2 kero tilley lamps from my childhood that I restored, and have used, both around the house at partys, and also out camping, but Ive found that my 1965 coleman dual fuel single mantle lantern that I also restored is perfect hung up under the canopy on the gas strut leg for cooking and general light for the camp.

I bought a cheapie 8 buck fluro work light / emergency light, about 15in long, and stuck it up on the inside of the canopy above the rear glass door. cut the cig lighter attach off, and hard wired it via a simple on off switch to my permanent 12v source from the 2nd batt.

Shines up the inside of the tray perfectly and attracts very little bugs.
Beyond that I use starlight, or if lucky moon light. I dont like turning the bush into a fully lit town or city.

Much prefer to stare up at the stars once its dark and see the satalites, or falling stars from the comfort of my home made swag.
I have used cheapie solar path lights for some who dont like the dark, they work well in the pitch black of night when there are no stars.

Ive found that spraying the mantle with hair spray before burning it makes for a longer lasting mantle.

T

[Chriso]

Dual fuel coleman powerhouse works a treat. I tried to get away from using gas as unleaded fuel is everywhere and safer to carry (IMO). It puts obout the same amount of light as the gas versions, however is a lot more economical.
I also have an LED light that I plug into the battery in the CT. Does not attract bugs and draws F*#k all power.
Never had faith in gas after seeing one spew up.

[nqgu]

If you really want to experience the quiet of the desert regions and the endless stars, then gas aint the go. LED lights and the crackle of a fire...ahhh now you are talkin!

[Sand Runner]

I use gas lights but also have a ARB adventure light.

Love the sound of the gas light - amd love the portability of the arb light.

[Jeeps]

I used to use fluoros but you have to run cables and they're not portable unless they've got a battery and then you have to remember to recharge them and they attract more bugs than other types.

I use a gas light and 2x dual fuels and a fluoro in the tent. I agree, there's nothing like camping with the sound of a gas light/dual fuel burning in the background :)

[fixa4377]

mmm, i would go the solitary sound of a fire any day lads :)

[luxa]

I've had the single mantle Coleman duel fuel for years - and swear by it !!!!! I single tank (700ml) usually lasts about 3 nights, and only gets pumped up when the light starts to pulse.
The plastic case & glass protector are a bloody ripper - here is the first, and only glass I've broken. it lasted 10 years including 2 central Aust trips, Kakadu, Fraser island, Cape York, countless High Country & Barmah state forest trips and a few dunkings in the surf whilst fishing.
Damn thing broke on my first forum trip 'cause a tie down strap compressed the plastic case!!!!
The case will also take a few packets of spare mantles and a box of matches under the lantern!!!!
http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/luxa/Bustedglass.jpg

Also have a Versalite - great light, but not quite the same output, not as "portable" with the leads and cost almost the same. Tends to spend most of its time "just in case" or it gets pulled out for the "drop the swag & sleep" roadside stops, not actual camps.


http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a69/luxa/Bustedglass.jpg

[Googy]

This is the go. a normal household floro that's been modifyed with a 12 volt starter. I plug it into my dual battery setup and it lights up the whole camp. we usually turn it off after dinner to sit around the fire. but it works a treat and doesn't use a great deal of power from the battery

[Steve75]

I use a coleman dual fuel lantern, Run shellite as fuel, and always carry extra mantles, runs very quiet and is very fuel efficient, with excellent lighting

[grunter]

For $20 go and buy 4 solar garden lights from the cheapie shop, be sure to put them out in the sun for a few days before you go camping with the switch OFF. They are great for around the camp during the night especially for that 2 am pee. leave them in the sun during the day and you have a free quiet light.

they throw a subduded light enough to see where you are going but are not intrusive. who wants bright lights when sitting around the fire, but they give enough light to find the esky, give the kids some comfort during the night etc
Also good if out in the boat on the creek as a landing marker
Will also run off 2 normal AA batteries

I also use a cheap 12V worklight from supercheap off a small sealed cell 12V Battery used in sucurity systems and the like around the camp for for cooking and times you need more illumination
Kev

[crusher]

Has anyone tried the ARB flouros? Are they good?

I think they are $80 and I think I'll get one.

I've got two of them and they work great. The only drawback is the plug has broken twice on one of them just fell apart. Probably best to replace them with a better quality plug but they put out great light

[01Rod]

http://www.campertrailers.org/tuco's_lights.htm

Here some other ideas to try..

Rod

[DX80]

I have two ARB adventure lights because they only draw 1 amp an hour and throw the best light on the market

[sirluxalot]

Your all forgetting something!! your eyes!!

they aint that bad at night if you let them work.. Each time you turn on a light you destroy 20 mins of your eyes adapting. Most of my lights are fitted with either RED the best or Green (slightly better vision colour but lowers the night vision.) LEDs. the big 10mm utrabrights replace well into the likes of the old Dolphin lanterns and such. The multi LED head 3 intensity lamps (<$10 can be pulled apart and white replaced with red. I normally go for single LED setting of RED. second settign pulls in some green and finally the last "all on "brings in some white.

The kitchen is about the only one I have a fluro on. and thats only cause the misses loves light :( I have that on a paint roller extension bar. telescopes down to about a meter fits in with all the other poles. extends to 3m maybe very useful. buy the pole, buy a screw in roller and rip the roller off bend the bar and your left with a neat large hook on the end of a pole, great for hanging lights where its supposed to be.. not at eye level or on the ground but above you.
However I still push the go RED.. youll be amazed how much you can see and do once your eyes have reverted to night vision.(~20min).

[saltyqld]

campfire! :D

[Clown Boy]

I bought an LED work light from autobarn. It has an internal battery (good for 3 hours or so) plus a cig light lead and charger for the house.

Worked a treat - cost $60.

[crykies]

Torpedo all the way, had 2 now for just over 2 years and they work very well. Light up the camp site very well and use very little power. They can be bought off ebay 1 for 60-70 here
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/12V-Camp-Light-Waterproof-Torpedo-Caravan-and-4wd-use_W0QQitemZ330131232921QQihZ014QQcategoryZ30862Q QrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[ABR Sidewinder]

http://www.sidewinder.com.au/_wp_generated/wp2a432a6f.jpg

[ABR Sidewinder]

Great Lights at 0.4amps / hour.

[sp0radic]

Thanks ABR Sidewinder. I was just looking at your site before you posted here.

[ABR Sidewinder]

Its late and can't sleep.

[01Rod]

You can make one of those lights yourself,

http://www.campertrailers.org/tuco's_lights.htm

you can buy the 12v compact either Bayonet or screw fitting from bunnings from memory about $20.
www.springers.com.au
also carry the bulbs

Rod

[utedriver]

I got a Terrain Tamer LED with my subscription renewal it works pretty good!

[DesertCruiser]

The best and cheepest I found after many years in the bush is: Buy a cheep 240v lead light, cut off the 240v plug and replace it with a ciggy
lighter plug Go to bunnings and purchase a Nelson 12v fluro BULB they come in either ES or BC base. fit your new bulb.. ALL UNDER $50 and 12v and bright with low power use. The globes are around $28 and come on a blue bubble wrapped card. It's the best I ever used.

[robe0455]

I use a versalight 12volt fluro for my work light and have another 240volt for my home workshop light. Really handy with the little hook that you can whack anywhere if you have to do trackside repairs. Then I have a Coleman Northstar dualfuel lantern that is awesome for camping. No leads and on a dim setting will last a long time. I crank mine at dusk and have full power while cooking and then dim it down and would easily get around 2 nights out of 1 litre of fuel. Have to pump it up around every 3hours i spose. Also have a blackdiamond headlamp with a 100m bulb and 3 leds (leds last 500 hours off 3AA's) and another with a 1 watt LED. The LED is my camping headlamp and the bulb version just sits in the glovebox with a small LED waterproof dive light. Just in case! Handy to have if you have to do anything with your hands though!

[sp0radic]

I've had to change 3 bulbs in 4 months with my Torpedo light, then they replaced the light under warranty after I complained but after one month with the new light I have already had to change the bulb.

[Davo1]

I got a Terrain Tamer LED with my subscription renewal it works pretty good!

Still waitin' for mine. Next shipment not in til end of December. Otherwise I'm using gaslight and led headlamps.

[Scotty'sTriton]

I use the fluro light you get from supercheap for 12 bucks we run 4 of them and wire them together and put a switch on the ones out side and the one indide the tent. they are great, we take a car battery with us and it has easily lasted 2 weeks, we also brought a cigerette lighter adapter that goes on the battery for 2 bucks that runs dvd players and charges mobile phones. We also have a solar garden light that we put out in the sun during the day and put inside the tent at for the kids night light.

[Walt]

I got one of them Gas lanterns that you use with the butane canisters. Brilliant. It has a piezo ignition and they reckon about 5 hrs per can, but i got hell of alot longer then that out of mine. Aside from that ive got a 18w bare battern i converted to 12v and threw in a 865 Triphosphour tube (which is brighter then a normal 850 tube) and for the long or big setups i bought of those $99 GMC generators which i run a few 100w flood lights off.

[adomw06]

I use a 300w pure sign inverter to power 3 standard household 8w CFLs (compact flourescent Lamps) 8w CFLs are equivalent to 60w incandescent bulbs

Expensive to set up $200 for the inverter but my concept is the replacement bulbs are $3 from woolies and I can charge cameras and stuff too

my backup is coleman dual fuel lantern - which is now 15 years old and is still great

ado

[RobA]

An interesting question actually.

Beter explain firstly that we tend to move every day when touring so everything has to work perfectly and cope with the Flinders Range and Simpson Desert at least ten times per year.

Why we do not use gas is that you end up replacing mantles ever day and you also have the risk of broking glass.

LED vs Fluro is a discussion on the evolution of a new product (LED) which will eventually replace fluro. Right now we use 12v Piranha fluro and recommend them. Why? Well because it is actually a 12v one not a cut down 240v version and the light they throw is so much better than any other product we have tested. We operate the light using either a hard wired outlet in the back of the car and/or with a set of alligator clips we hook it up to a gel security alarm battery to make it more portable. Works perfectly and we charge the gel battery up using the inverter and a purpose built charger as required. It normally last around three days before needing a charge.

As well we always use LED headlights for cooking and setting up in the dark if that happens. It is much easier cooking and setting up if you have two hands free.

Enjoy the chase

Regards

RobA

[campdog]

An interesting question actually.

Beter explain firstly that we tend to move every day when touring so everything has to work perfectly and cope with the Flinders Range and Simpson Desert at least ten times per year.

Why we do not use gas is that you end up replacing mantles ever day and you also have the risk of broking glass.

LED vs Fluro is a discussion on the evolution of a new product (LED) which will eventually replace fluro. Right now we use 12v Piranha fluro and recommend them. Why? Well because it is actually a 12v one not a cut down 240v version and the light they throw is so much better than any other product we have tested. We operate the light using either a hard wired outlet in the back of the car and/or with a set of alligator clips we hook it up to a gel security alarm battery to make it more portable. Works perfectly and we charge the gel battery up using the inverter and a purpose built charger as required. It normally last around three days before needing a charge.

As well we always use LED headlights for cooking and setting up in the dark if that happens. It is much easier cooking and setting up if you have two hands free.

Enjoy the chase

Regards

RobA
I have a similar fluro to the piranah, great light. I also have a Coleman Northern Star Gas Light with a tube mantle. Spent 6 weeks on the Cape and didnt break a mantle.Put the light in a padded bad and in the back of the 4b.
My favorite light is a campfire. Cook everything and clean up before dark and sit around a campfire.

[Walt]

Ive had the same mantle in my butane light for over 12months. And it lives in the toolbox in my ute for the times when i need emergency lighting as well. An interesting thing ive seen at BCF is a stainless mesh to replace the glass, but im yet to break a glass as well.

And as for fluros, use a high quality (Phillips is the best) 865 tube, and they are second to none. They throw a brilliant, clear light.