2" suspension lift on IFS hilux

[Loose_Navara]

hey fellas just wanted to know how hard it is to install a 2 inch suspension lift on my hilux? Do you have to get a wheel alignment etc done afterwards? I'm pretty cluey with a spanner or would i just be better off taking it to a shop?

Cheers

Luke

[Matt-lux]

You should be able to do it yourself. You will need an alignment afterwards. I did mine only a month ago. The hardest part of mine was getting my old u-bolts off.

Matt

[Big Boots]

Its not hard. Have a go yourself.

[Loose_Navara]

thanks guys, also just wondering whether i have to get extended brake lines or any other little things that might hold a first timer back? Im also considering putting in the extended rear shackles from snake racing

http://72.34.32.141/~snakerac/product_info.php?cPath=3_107_116&products_id=559&osCsid=e041def387208ecd730a73f87cdbe399

it says they offer "around about" 50mm lift, does anyone know how accurate these are, it's just that i dont want my truck sitting too low at the rear or visa versa... thanks for helping an amatuer like myself fellas

[99disco]

we did a 2003 dual cab fitted 2 in extended shakles to the back and wound up the bars on the front then fitted ome shocks all round to suit a 2 in and the car rides handles better than ever has given enough room for 32/11.5/15 bfg all terrain tyres the next thing we are fitting is 2 in body lift and some nice 33s i hope

[boof]

Just remember that extended shackles are illegal in most states. A set of 2" lifted springs may be a better way to go ;)

[converted]

i am looking for a kit for my 2000 hilux extra cab. can you wind up the torsion bars and add extended shackles to the rear??

[boof]

i am looking for a kit for my 2000 hilux extra cab. can you wind up the torsion bars and add extended shackles to the rear??


You can although for legalities I would wind up the torsion bars and fit new 2" lifted springs or have yours reset properly for the lift and to suit you load carrying requirements. If you dont need to tow or carry heavy loads you can get the rear leafs to flex quite well.

[converted]

thanks, yeah i tow my 18ft dual axle ski boat around, so would probably need to get heavy duty springs.

[v6XtraHilux]

thanks, yeah i tow my 18ft dual axle ski boat around, so would probably need to get heavy duty springs.


I got heavy duty leafs on the back of my 03 Lux and they are stiff as!! If you do occasional towing, ud be better of with the standard leafs or a really soft aftermarket (OME or Tough Dog) and then fit airbags to level the truck, otherwise the empty truck will bounce around alot on the road.

[roblux]

hey guys
i've got got a '00' 3ltd lux and i'm looking to put a 2" suspension lift and 33" tyres . just wondering if anyone has a simular set up and how it effects the handeling and daily driving.

[v6hilux]

You guys with the IFS, can wind up your torsion bars, but you will loose down travel in the front suspension as well as needing to do a wheel alignment. There is also the option of installing upper Ball Joint Spacers, will give you the down travel back. These spacers may not be legal, but are hard to pick. Also a 4" IFS bolt-on kit is available, but it's a bit exy.

[boof]

hey guys
i've got got a '00' 3ltd lux and i'm looking to put a 2" suspension lift and 33" tyres . just wondering if anyone has a simular set up and how it effects the handeling and daily driving.


If you dont want to cut guards then do 2" bodylift and 2" suspension lift. If you dont mind cutting guards I would go a 2" bodylift and make the standard suspension work. Lifting IFS makes them ride rough but if you want the extra height for larger wheels it is worth it :D

I ran 35s with 2" body and 2" suspension

[Tuff Lux]

I intend on putting 2" body and suspension lift on my 04 lux, I am happy with the 31" tyres. for practicality and efficency reasons should I stick with them or go bigger?

[894runa]

Really depends on what you do. As far as clearance and rubbing goes, a 2" body and spring combo should be enough to clear 33" tyres or a bit more and these would probably look better under your car than 31s.

But bigger wheels will mess up your gearing. Remember that in standard form your lux would have come with 205R16s (I think) which only works out to be a 29" tyre and toyota designed the gearing for the truck around this diameter. You've already moved up 2" in tyre diameter by going to 31s.

I run 32s on my 4runner but I also do a lot of offroading and do notice the negative effect the bigger wheels have had in low range. The crawl speed for both steep ups and downs has been increased which isn't good. I wouldn't try and run any bigger tyre now, its just too fast. And in high range, the problem is I have the old 2.8 diesel which has no guts so hillstarts are more of an effort. Engine power wouldn't be a problem for you though.

No-one has had a go at making super low low-range crawler gears for chain driven transfer cases yet which would fix this and I don't want to change diff ratios, since all that would do is bring it back to stock gearing. Given the value of my car its not worth the money swapping to a gear driven case either.

[02-SR5]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h156/02SRI/Picture166.jpg

Here ya go, 2002 IFS Hilux with Snake racing lift kit and extended shackles. Running 33inch BFG muddies

I found the extended shackles are great, built like a brick out-house, I just painted them black (they come in bright red) and you cant even see them without crawling under and getting dirty. Some body would have to know what they are looking at to really notice they are extended

[colesy123]

Hey Guys,

My 98 xtra cab 3.0D non turbo is going in next week for its normal service. The guys at ARB showed me the bushes lat time i had it serviced and they are on the way out and its about time to change th shocks as well.

As such i have decided i would treat myself this Christmas and fit a 2" lift. Just wondering what the cheaper option is? Should i just wind up the torsion bars and fit extended shackles or as boof suggested look at getting new rear leaves??

I am on a tight budget and plan to keep the lux for about another 3 years.. so what is going to serve me best? I currently am doing only about 10-12000 kms a year.

Just wondering if anyone knows the cost of
1) getting new lifted (2") leaves for the rear
2) Getting extended shackles
3) Resetting the old leaves.. as i dont tow at all

sorry for so many questions guys, anyhelp would be great though:)

[Tuff Lux]

Thanks for the info guys. Nice lux 02 sr5

[boof]

Hey Guys,

My 98 xtra cab 3.0D non turbo is going in next week for its normal service. The guys at ARB showed me the bushes lat time i had it serviced and they are on the way out and its about time to change th shocks as well.

As such i have decided i would treat myself this Christmas and fit a 2" lift. Just wondering what the cheaper option is? Should i just wind up the torsion bars and fit extended shackles or as boof suggested look at getting new rear leaves??

I am on a tight budget and plan to keep the lux for about another 3 years.. so what is going to serve me best? I currently am doing only about 10-12000 kms a year.

Just wondering if anyone knows the cost of
1) getting new lifted (2") leaves for the rear
2) Getting extended shackles
3) Resetting the old leaves.. as i dont tow at all

sorry for so many questions guys, anyhelp would be great though:)

If you want to keep it legal then dont use extended shackles. Personally I would reset the rear springs about half the cost of new springs, wind up the torsion bars and fit long travel shocks. Forget Ranchos, Tough Dog and Old Man Emu as they will blow your budget. Try something like the Cofaps, Pedders or Skyjacker they will last you a while at your current ks and can always be upgraded in the future. You should be able to get it all done for under 1k.

[HardCharger]

Hi All! :)

My rig is already has OME NitroChargers and OME leaf springs which gave it a 2" lift.

My torsions were cranked to catch up to the lift of the rear and my bump stops trimmed.

I'm contemplating on upgrading further with a ProComp 4" stage II suspension lift.

I spoke to a ProComp rep and he said that they can custom the kit so that I can still use the OME stuff and the lift it gives.

So that means the kit will only have 2" lift blocks in the rear and the full 4" in the front

Planning on using 285/75/R16s or 265/75/R16s with it.

What do you guys think of this?

Hope to hear from y'all soon. :thumb:

[02-SR5]

Hi All! :)

My rig is already has OME NitroChargers and OME leaf springs which gave it a 2" lift.

My torsions were cranked to catch up to the lift of the rear and my bump stops trimmed.

I'm contemplating on upgrading further with a ProComp 4" stage II suspension lift.

I spoke to a ProComp rep and he said that they can custom the kit so that I can still use the OME stuff and the lift it gives.

So that means the kit will only have 2" lift blocks in the rear and the full 4" in the front

Planning on using 285/75/R16s or 265/75/R16s with it.

What do you guys think of this?

Hope to hear from y'all soon. :thumb:


Mate,

The snake racing kit is a Pro-comp kit. Just sold under a different distributer. If you allready have 2inch lifted springs, go the extended shackles, a lot better than lift blocks, dont go there with axle wrap and all that sort of thing. The actual kit you are looking at is only 3inch lift (approx), so with your rear springs (this is what I have, look at my photo above 02SR5) and the extended shackles, you will get a good 3inch lift, you can run 285s, dont wast your money on 265s once the lift is complete, it will look silly like mine did for about a week until enough people gave me enough stick about, so I brought some 285 BFG Muddies (33inch approx).

The procomp kit is the ducks guts (IMO only) for lift of a IFS hilux. May be illegal in some states, so is 33s too. I painted mine all black, so with the 33inch tyres and the 3inch lift, it doesnt look out of the ordinary untill you come up close and look under it. Im running 285/75/16, 33x12.5x15 will stick out the guards too much and attract unwanted attention. If you keep everything within specs and dont go over board, the pro-comp lift and the extended shackles will be good. Mine cost $2100 delivered to Darwin..

265s, look shit, dont they...
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h156/02SRI/Picture084.jpg


1 week later, 285s BFG Muddies.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h156/02SRI/Picture166.jpg

[02-SR5]

"I spoke to a ProComp rep and he said that they can custom the kit so that I can still use the OME stuff and the lift it gives".


Yea you can, but you can only use the rear springs and front torsion bars, the OME shocks are to short.

The kit comes with front shocks, but you will have to replace the rear shocks. I got mine from 4wd1, rancho 5000s for $130 each delivered.

All the kit provides is all the bracketry to lower all the front lower suspension mounting points.

This is the actual kit fitted. You will see the mounting brackets, this is all the kit is. Good luck with your choice
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h156/02SRI/Picture083.jpg

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h156/02SRI/Picture082.jpg

[greylux]

Hi All! :)

My rig is already has OME NitroChargers and OME leaf springs which gave it a 2" lift.

My torsions were cranked to catch up to the lift of the rear and my bump stops trimmed.

I'm contemplating on upgrading further with a ProComp 4" stage II suspension lift.

I spoke to a ProComp rep and he said that they can custom the kit so that I can still use the OME stuff and the lift it gives.

So that means the kit will only have 2" lift blocks in the rear and the full 4" in the front

Planning on using 285/75/R16s or 265/75/R16s with it.

What do you guys think of this?

Hope to hear from y'all soon. :thumb:


2" lift blocks don't work with this kit unless you modify the handbrake cable as the cable will want to run through the middle of the block. This is why they specify extended shackles if you already have 2" raised springs.

[v6hilux]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h156/02SRI/Picture083.jpg
[/IMG]

Nice shoes!

[02-SR5]

Thanks, It was darwin, so shoes and sox were never worn.

[HardCharger]

Hi 02-SR5 :)

Thanks for the input.

I actually considered the snake racing kit but someone in the overlander forum said that it was not a good idea to deal with snake racing. :confused:

In any case, you seem to have good pratical and working experience which is what I really need.

Yeah, I'm aware that I'll have to swap out the shocks. I'm thinking Ranchos like you said or Monroe Gasmatics if I'm still on a budget.

I hear the gasmatics ride like the OME Nitros anyways.

As for tire size, 285/75/R16 or 255/85/R16 was suggested if lifting.

So the procomp and snake racing kit are one and the same? Yeah, I remember that being mentioned too.

So I can get the extended shackles as opposed to the OME greasable shackles and go with the Snake kit?

I can source the shocks locally, so I'm thinking of getting just the lift kit and any other hardware that is needed. The snake kit comes with new bump stops?

Do I need the steel brake lines too?

Anything else? I plan to do a one shot deal thing with everything I need since I can't afford to have my rig away from me too long since it's my daily driver.

The few days the local guys are asking of me are kinda long but I'll treat it as a necessary evil to improve my rig.

I plan to install an AXT turbo kit with intercooler and oil cooler first before I fit the lift.

By the way, I'm located in the Philippines so the rules that bind you guys over there don't really apply here but I still want to keep my rig practical.

Thanks for the feedback and please keep them coming.

:thumb:

Mate,

The snake racing kit is a Pro-comp kit. Just sold under a different distributer. If you allready have 2inch lifted springs, go the extended shackles, a lot better than lift blocks, dont go there with axle wrap and all that sort of thing. The actual kit you are looking at is only 3inch lift (approx), so with your rear springs (this is what I have, look at my photo above 02SR5) and the extended shackles, you will get a good 3inch lift, you can run 285s, dont wast your money on 265s once the lift is complete, it will look silly like mine did for about a week until enough people gave me enough stick about, so I brought some 285 BFG Muddies (33inch approx).

The procomp kit is the ducks guts (IMO only) for lift of a IFS hilux. May be illegal in some states, so is 33s too. I painted mine all black, so with the 33inch tyres and the 3inch lift, it doesnt look out of the ordinary untill you come up close and look under it. Im running 285/75/16, 33x12.5x15 will stick out the guards too much and attract unwanted attention. If you keep everything within specs and dont go over board, the pro-comp lift and the extended shackles will be good. Mine cost $2100 delivered to Darwin..

265s, look shit, dont they...
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h156/02SRI/Picture084.jpg


1 week later, 285s BFG Muddies.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h156/02SRI/Picture166.jpg

[02-SR5]

I actually considered the snake racing kit but someone in the overlander forum said that it was not a good idea to deal with snake racing.

In any case, you seem to have good pratical and working experience which is what I really need.

Yeah, I'm aware that I'll have to swap out the shocks. I'm thinking Ranchos like you said or Monroe Gasmatics if I'm still on a budget.

I hear the gasmatics ride like the OME Nitros anyways.

As for tire size, 285/75/R16 or 255/85/R16 was suggested if lifting.

So the procomp and snake racing kit are one and the same? Yeah, I remember that being mentioned too.

So I can get the extended shackles as opposed to the OME greasable shackles and go with the Snake kit?

I can source the shocks locally, so I'm thinking of getting just the lift kit and any other hardware that is needed. The snake kit comes with new bump stops?

Do I need the steel brake lines too?

Anything else? I plan to do a one shot deal thing with everything I need since I can't afford to have my rig away from me too long since it's my daily driver.

The few days the local guys are asking of me are kinda long but I'll treat it as a necessary evil to improve my rig.

I plan to install an AXT turbo kit with intercooler and oil cooler first before I fit the lift.

By the way, I'm located in the Philippines so the rules that bind you guys over there don't really apply here but I still want to keep my rig practical.

Thanks for the feedback and please keep them coming.


Im going to answer each question: Im reading your post as I answer.....

1. " I actually considered the snake racing kit but someone in the overlander forum said that it was not a good idea to deal with snake racing".

He must of got stuffed around or he is full of shit. Never had a problem with snake racing. I dont know of anybody elese either that has a problem.

2. Yeah, I'm aware that I'll have to swap out the shocks. I'm thinking Ranchos like you said or Monroe Gasmatics if I'm still on a budget.

Mate, go the ranchos, they come in the kit (if you go front kit only), and go to 4wd1 and get the 9000s for the rear, 130 each delivered to your door (Aust).. I doubt the Monroes will have the extended 4inches which is required for the lift kit.

3. I hear the gasmatics ride like the OME Nitros anyways.

Dunno, I doubt it though.

4. As for tire size, 285/75/R16 or 255/85/R16 was suggested if lifting.

Spend the coin and go the 285s or 33s. Dont wast your money on anything smaller.

5. So the procomp and snake racing kit are one and the same? Yeah, I remember that being mentioned too.

Yep, same kit, Im guessing snake import them resell them.

6. So I can get the extended shackles as opposed to the OME greasable shackles and go with the Snake kit?

Yep, you will need the extended shackles (only if you allready have lifted rear springs) as the OME shackles wont be long enough.

7. I can source the shocks locally, so I'm thinking of getting just the lift kit and any other hardware that is needed. The snake kit comes with new bump stops?

The kit will come with all the hardware you will need. It doesnt come with bump stops, it comes with brackets to lower them, have a look in my picture above, it will show you.

8. Do I need the steel brake lines too?

NO. The kit comes with everthing you need. You wont get a true 4inch lift, you will only get a 3 plus inch out of it, you will still have to up your factory torsion bars to get a true 4inch lift.

Good luck with it all, if you have any other questions, just ask, too happy to help out a fellow 4wder

Rob

[boof]

For the cost of those kits you are better off just getting a sas done imo they are an overpriced item that add no offroad ability other than a cool looking lift.

I agree Robs Lux looks good but you are better off with a 2" lift and 2" body lift same result same off road ability and costs heaps less just my 2c

[02-SR5]

Bump,

here ya go steve from "Toyota tech", all your answers are here.

Rob

[Terry]

anyone have an opinion on the 1" ball joint spacer for the front end, and then taking the torsion bars up another 1"?

[v6hilux]

anyone have an opinion on the 1" ball joint spacer for the front end, and then taking the torsion bars up another 1"?

Bumpy roads ride will be a bit harsher, as you will for-go down travel by winding up the t-bars to the bump stop. They can be trimmed too!

No issues ever heard/read about, except they aren't legal and you need a wheel alignment after it's done.

They aren't for extreme lift, just mild lift!

[roblux]

thanks guys , great help , i'll keep ya posted and tryto get a pic on here soon

[hiLUXURIOUS]

hey guys i wanna do a 2-3 inch lift on my 86 hilux for cheap. what can i do? suspension or body lift? which is better?

[v6hilux]

hey guys i wanna do a 2-3 inch lift on my 86 hilux for cheap. what can i do? suspension or body lift? which is better?

Both!

2" body blocks, reset springs or extended shackles.

Should be $400 -$550 depending on what you actually do, cheaper for s/hand stuff.

Plus cost of new shocks if you need them.

If you plan on 4 new springs, that will cost a fair bit more.

[hiLUXURIOUS]

but if i plan to go for 3" it means i need a new brake line right?? would i need anything else or is that it?

[v6hilux]

but if i plan to go for 3" it means i need a new brake line right?? would i need anything else or is that it?

Possibly and only on the suspension part of the lift, if you can't cut the chassis brackets off and reposition them. The metal tubes have a bit of spare length when you do that.

[eMOJO]

anyone have an opinion on the 1" ball joint spacer for the front end, and then taking the torsion bars up another 1"?

Does anyone have any details on the 1" kit???

[v6hilux]

Does anyone have any details on the 1" kit???

Some basic mechanical ability and tools required for install. Front lift of 1".

What specific info are you requiring?

[cac]

hey guys....i'm just trying to wind up the torsion bars on my hilux because one side has sagged a bit, yet i have wound the bars up almost the width of the nut for very little lift...i think i have got about 8mm so far, and i need about 25mm to level the truck out....

to me this is not normal, can someone plz confirm for me if my assumption is correct, and where should i be looking next to get the truck level....

its an 02 hilux, 2x4...suspension is stock....

thx in advance

cac

[v6hilux]

Once you adjust the torsion bars, you will need a wheel alignment.

Best to lift the chassis with a jack to lift the relative wheel off the ground to make it easier. Just don't forget the wheel alignment after.

[eMOJO]

Some basic mechanical ability and tools required for install. Front lift of 1".

What specific info are you requiring?

Hey v6hilux, You'll have to excuse my ignorance, I guess all info... I'm not quite sure what a ball joint spacer kit consists of. Is it similar in principle to the snake 4" kits or a totally different kettle of fish?

What would be the pros and cons of this system?

[cac]

Once you adjust the torsion bars, you will need a wheel alignment.

Best to lift the chassis with a jack to lift the relative wheel off the ground to make it easier. Just don't forget the wheel alignment after.

cheers for the reply...

i adjusted the torsion bar as per the before and after photos attached....with the amount of adjustment i made, how much lift should i have expected?

i need to gain about 25mm lift, but with the adjustment in the photos, i only got about 8mm...which is why i think there is something else amiss on the suspension....as i have no experience with torsion bar setups, i am unsure as to what else could be wrong, and what i can look at

any help is greatly appreciated

cac

[02-SR5]

Hate to say dude, it doesnt look like you touched your torsion bar there, dunno what you have done, Im trying to look at the photos at different angles and cant quite see what you have adjusted, it defenintly aint the torsion bar, I would wind what ever you did back to where you found it pronto.

The torsion bar adjustment bolts are just below the driver and passenger doors, next to the gear box cross members, If I can recall, I think it is a 19mm bolt head, the bolt is vertical to the vehicle, not horizontal like the ones you have done.

[02-SR5]

cheers for the reply...

i adjusted the torsion bar as per the before and after photos attached....with the amount of adjustment i made, how much lift should i have expected?

i need to gain about 25mm lift, but with the adjustment in the photos, i only got about 8mm...which is why i think there is something else amiss on the suspension....as i have no experience with torsion bar setups, i am unsure as to what else could be wrong, and what i can look at

any help is greatly appreciated

cac

Having another look (with my head sideways), it looks like you have adjusted something attached to the lower wishbone, this could be your wheel alingment toe in/toe out adjustment. If you look at the back of your upper wishbone, follow the torsion bar back to the adjustment point, the torsion bar will run parralel to the actual chassis rail.

(edit)
If you have a look at the top of the photo below, see where the side step bolts to the chassis (sort of where the top of the front drive shaft bolts to the front of the transfer case) look up in there, and you will see a 19mm bolt head looking back at you.
(sorry for the shitty photo, it is all I have of the under carriage)
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h156/02SRI/Picture083.jpg

[cac]

thx for the advice...i'll get under and have another look tomorrow...at least that answers my original question though....i now see why i wasn't getting any lift :)

[cac]

fixed...well kinda lol

turns out when i put the car in a couple of months ago to get the suspension looked at (it was pulling left under brakes) the suspension people lifted the left hand side until it was just touching the droop stop...so i dropped that side back down again instead of lifting the right hand side....now i have both up and down travel (about twice as much up as i do down) on both sides....though realistically the right side is still 15mm lower than the left....going to tackle the rear end next (same problem)....hopefully it won't be as many headaches...provided i can get enough leverage to undo all the bolts that is :)

[Arthur Thompson]

:truck: I have a 12/04 hilux d/c with 3l t/d 1kz-te motor.I fitted a 2''lift with prado wheels a long with 265/75/16's mtr's.for a starter it throw my speedo out about 12k p/h.It drove like a truck.tyres rubbed on the mud flaps.inner guard on full flex.when towing and you have to take of from a set of lights on a hill you have to ride the clutch or use low range then stop and the go back into h/range.I went to 31/10.5/15 bfg's and no turning back.i lost 3mm from the sill to the ground and by far a better car to drive now,no looking back.if lifting a 2000mod i wound change the torsion bars as well as they fitigue & can snap(Ouch)also the ride from after market suspension is no question far better than std.far more stable.even the mrs noticed the difference. hey guys
i've got got a '00' 3ltd lux and i'm looking to put a 2" suspension lift and 33" tyres . just wondering if anyone has a simular set up and how it effects the handeling and daily driving.

[Arthur Thompson]

:truck: I have a 12/04 hilux d/c with 3l t/d 1kz-te motor.I fitted a 2''lift with prado wheels a long with 265/75/16's mtr's.for a starter it throw my speedo out about 12k p/h.It drove like a truck.tyres rubbed on the mud flaps.inner guard on full flex.when towing and you have to take of from a set of lights on a hill you have to ride the clutch or use low range then stop and the go back into h/range.I went to 31/10.5/15 bfg's and no turning back.i lost 3mm from the sill to the ground and by far a better car to drive now,no looking back.if lifting a 2000mod i wound change the torsion bars as well as they fitigue & can snap(Ouch)also the ride from after market suspension is no question far better than std.far more stable.even the mrs noticed the difference. hey guys
i've got got a '00' 3ltd lux and i'm looking to put a 2" suspension lift and 33" tyres . just wondering if anyone has a simular set up and how it effects the handeling and daily driving.

[lorry]

price the new leafes, i'd go the 2' lift

[ashman]

does anyone know if you can buy low profile upper and lower bump stops or is it better just to trim them down