Now Thats Extreme!

[MUDRIG]

The hardcore section of the forum seems to be a bit slow at the moment :-\so i thought i would throw a Question out to you all. What do you guys think about the level of engineering envoled with such competitions as tuff truck these days? Is it going overboard with modifications such as rear-stear? Do you think we will see much of this type of extreme modifications in comps to come?

I think these extreme type mods like full hydrolic suspension are fantastic but rear stear, I'm not so sure!

Just a thought so what do you think? ;)

[gidget]

I think it is great to watch but it is made it near impossible for the averrage bloke to have a go. well without a full engineering shop etc etc.

Yes there will be more of it to come I would rekon, but hey you want to play with the big guys spose you got to have the cheque book to play with em.

[mrZ]

it would be great to see more crazy stuff like rear steer, as long as there is different classses so that the average joe can have a go! ;D

[2 BRUTAL]

give them the super modified classing and then allow the blokes with road registered trucks there own catagories under petrol, diesel etc. like they do in most events. it is good to see the level of engineering in these trucks, but it is beyond the average joe. In some competitions they say that your truck needs to be registered and these guys are competing, I'd like to know how and who would engineer approve some of them for highway use.

[Green Beast]

It simply the rapidness of technology
look at th computer stuff, by the time you buy the best computer its out of date in a week

[Humpy]

I really like the extreme engineering, its great to watch.

The guys with big budgets are also good for R & D, just copy what theve done once they've got it right.

Sam Keck gave his buggy a blue slip and registered it as a sierra for the woodpecker. He didnt actually compete. I was speaking to him a week before and he was saying to compete you had to be registered but not necessarily engineered.

[MUDRIG]

So thats how they get away with it. :o I knew they had to be registered for comps but never knew how they could get it if they were not legal!

Gota love some of the new highly engineered mods, makes it amazing to watch. And to dream about! ;D

[Humpy]

Most of the top rigs come on trailers. So either the owners dont even think theyre roadworthy, or they're trying to keep the kilometres down for better resale ;D

[BLU-125]

More a case of "if it breaks I can get it home" I would have thought!

[baby_troupe]

Also allows them to have it set up for the comp before it leaves the shed.

[patrol]

I really like the extreme engineering, its great to watch.

The guys with big budgets are also good for R & D, just copy what theve done once they've got it right.

Sam Keck gave his buggy a blue slip and registered it as a sierra for the woodpecker. He didnt actually compete. I was speaking to him a week before and he was saying to compete you had to be registered but not necessarily engineered.


I'm sure thats info the organisers of the Woodpecker would love to hear.

[Humpy]

They would have to know a lot of it wasnt engineered.

BTW i was joking abut the reason for trailing a rig to comps.

Got to admire someone who has the confidence to drive to an event and home.



Big budget, big deal, anyone can build a money truck, forced articulation and rear steer should be banned I reckon, lets concentrate on driver skills not chequebooks.

[bonza]

;D

[bonza]

But shed baby if we relied on skill you woulda beed long gone

[bonza]

Got to admire someone who has the confidence to drive to an event and home.



Big budget, big deal, anyone can build a money truck, forced articulation and rear steer should be banned I reckon, lets concentrate on driver skills not chequebooks.

[Guts]

You don`t need big $$$ be at the pointy end of the field. My lux gives the big boyes in Sydney a run for their money (3rd in Woodpecker, 1 class) Yes I have spent over 40g on it but that has been over the last 6.5 years. I do this on 1 income with 4 kids and a house.

I think you need big $$$ to be at the pointy end in winch challenge events more than rock events as you need BIG motor and the drive train to stand up to the big HP. For rocks you need flex, locks, gears, tyres and most of all driverability.

[Humpy]

I think you can get near the top with a smallish budget, Kermit for example. To be consistently at the top in various events a bigger budget certainly helps.

[BLU-125]

It seems there is a move to create a "control" buggy class in rock crawling to develop the Driver part of the sport.

As someone who had an involvement in Formula Vee, Porsche Cup, Karting & Qld Gemini racing I know that there is many ways that parity of vehicles can be achieved.

Currently the two Sam's are trying to work out if a Suzuki or Range Rover + HiLux class is better.

I hope we don't end up with 3 Overton designed buggies in Qld & 3 Keck buggies in NSW.

Please work together to develop this great sport.

[TUFF60]

How often do you see the guys with rear steer and hydraulics get up ::) "But look at Glen in TUFF TRUCK" i hear you say. (Yes his car is a big dollar car) but did you notice that he drove the the car and didnt seem to be there for the pose factor like other competiters.(Im not singling any one out). If people entered events with a well modified vehicle, good knowledge of there vehicle and good driver skill, i would say they would go pretty well. Look at Darren Moon,Chris Bryant, Terry Cokane? and Glen Binskin to name a few.They are all competitive and contenders and have had good placings with "BASIC" modified vehicles, SOA or COIL suspensions. I know, seen and met people with vehicles that better most 'comp' cars all without the good workshops and the big funds to do it with. I agree with The Shed Guy, that people use cheque books to build cars that can compete, they can be good to watch but how about building a car that can be driven ;)

[Humpy]

I dont think the sport in australia is big enough at the moment for a class buggy. Modifying your truck using your own ideas is all part of the fun / challenge.

You see the throw money at it approach in most sports, the guy (girl) with the most talent usually gets to the top regardless.

[2 BRUTAL]

Hey Guts i wouldn't call $40000 over 6 years a low budget, does that include the price of your 4wd. but i guess you have to earn the money to spend it(so good on you). i don't mind seeing the big $ razzle dazzle trucks competing as long as there classed seperately to the smaller less modified trucks. its a bit like V8 Supercars occassionly you see the privateer give the top drivers a run for there money but not all that often.

[Guts]

That is just under$120 per week, thats not that much as alot of people spend that much on grog.

I leased the lux for 4 years as it usd to be my work truck. But no that doesn`t incude the purchase of the lux. If it was a lux I bought souly for comps and 4x4ing I wouldhave got a older one for about $2000.00.

But shed baby if we relied on skill you woulda beed long gone


You must need glasses bonza, or you would of noticed I have been..... ;D sick of dusting all those trophies ;D

Also, those who say you dont need big dollars to be competitive, arent looking far enough forward, just look at the US in 5 years, how far it has come, and the sport is in its infancy here, I wasnt talking big $$$ now, Im talkinga s it progresses, you need to lay down rules which keep it as viable as possible, to as many as possible, for as long as possible.

That is so true shed..... it will otherwise end up an elite sport that only the rich or the rich teams can enter. You only need to follow the progression of the V8 Supercars..... once upon a time, anybody with a vehicle, a bit of money and the knowledge could enter and compete well in different classes of vehicle. But the teams with the money and the power decided that they would pressure the powers that be to rule out anything but the V8's hence the end of GroupA and the formation of the V8 Supercars...... only the mega rich can compete now and they have a lower class for those that don't have the money of the big teams. How often do you hear about them? hardly ever......
It would be a shame to see fourby comps going the same direction....... Like shed dude said, lay down the rules now! :)

[patrol]

More rules = more problems for competitors and event organisers just ban the bigger cars from club based events, the guys that want to run these vehicles will start to cry and complain or they will start there own events
either way who cares, why make things harder for the majority when you can get rid of minority.

More rules = more problems for competitors and event organisers just ban the bigger cars from club based events, the guys that want to run these vehicles will start to cry and complain or they will start there own events
either way who cares, why make things harder for the majority when you can get rid of minority.


That is how the V8 Supercars got started....... and unfortunately.... it is the more extreme of any category that gets the publicity and the spectators.....

[slowlux]

i race go karts and you can see the guys with bigger budgets, they have the bigger trailers, the better tools and they generally end up winning all the time. By the way, any one know what kind of engine HUDDY (Steven Hudson), blue GQ s.w.b, runs? it just sounds extremely sweet!!

[MUDRIG]

Good to see people are putting in there opinions! I beleive there should be more rules too. There definately will have to be many grades of competition for you to work your way up the system! More than what there is now. First few catagories should be achievable by the common person with a fourbie. Then different cattagories with stricked boundaries up to open modifications! Oh well just thought!
Doesn't seem a lot different to what we have now but is hard for me to put it down on paper so that you can understand.

Like Roe said lets not let it get out of hand so only the rich man can play!

[splodge]

I feel sorry for the poor bloke/s that will eventually have to make up the rules, cause they will cop it from all sides.

I feel sorry for the poor bloke/s that will eventually have to make up the rules, cause they will cop it from all sides.

Thats the unfortunate thing splodge..... they will cop crap from all sides.... but as we know, in the end money and spectators will decide what rules are adopted..... whether it be in favour of the regular fourby drivers.... or the big budget guys. It's unfortunate that in the end it's all politics..... and it happens in all forms of life, including the fourby world.
Interesting subject and peoples views are just as interesting :)

i race go karts and you can see the guys with bigger budgets, they have the bigger trailers, the better tools and they generally end up winning all the time. By the way, any one know what kind of engine HUDDY (Steven Hudson), blue GQ s.w.b, runs? it just sounds extremely sweet!!


you must have balls of steel HiLux LOL i drove one of those things once.... scared the shit out of me LOL was fun though!! :D

[splodge]

Roedao I used to race karts as well. My last one was a twin engined beast. It's great when you can have half a loose coming out of a corner then fishtail half way down a 100m straight. ;D ;D ;D

[BLU-125]

Esp. when the old bloke was trying to pass you in his 125 gearbox Kart!

[splodge]

I came only remember a slow old rather rotund gearbox kart driver. Who was the other one :P

[slowlux]

you must have balls of steel HiLux LOL i drove one of those things once.... scared the shit out of me LOL was fun though!! :D


hahahahahahahahahahahahhhahah!!!! as if you got scared, it's the funnest thing next to fourbying!! ilove it it's so fun just going 100km/h one inch off the ground feeling the scratch everytime the bottom of your seat hits the deck!!!

[slowlux]

Esp. when the old bloke was trying to pass you in his 125 gearbox Kart!


ahhhh, i want a gearbox kart, i only runa yamaha KT100J, one of the smaller engines in competition, but next year i hope to race rotax!! now there fun to drive, 30 horsepower on a thing weighing only 70 kilos!!!!! ohhh yeah

[BLU-125]

Yeah, I had a ball in it but it finally convinced me that 50+ fitness wasn't quite enough.

By the way, Azurro (Italian for Blue) kart 125 was the reason for the plates currently on my GQ - they origonally graced on L300 with 2.6 Sigma motor & 17" wheels that carried my Karts all over the place.

[wooders]

Yeah Hydraulics, rear steer, buggies & shyte are cool - BUT IMHO it's not what I really enjoy watching....Just my 1¾¢ but:
1. I like bodies that relate to a brand - It's as much about cheering the brand as the driver......
2. Sure the technology improvements are cool - BUT the line does need to be drawn - heck since the 1900's we can FLY over the terrain.... I like low tech - big engines, not too much wheel travel etc.....much more enteraining.....ahh the sound of sheet metal v's rock :-*
3. Budget etc - All forms of motor sport are expensive - fact of life....want a cheap hobby - learn to knit....BUT I think it's good to have some low- mod comps about to encourage people to participate.....If people only what then you only get a select few competeing....where as those competeing will also watch - follow my drift?....
4. Dang I forgot what 4 was going to be.....Oh well lets just say we need more skantily-clad women at the events too ;D

[Humpy]

3. Budget etc - All forms of motor sport are expensive - fact of life....want a cheap hobby - learn to knit....BUT I think it's good to have some low- mod comps about to encourage people to participate.....If people only what then you only get a select few competeing....where as those competeing will also watch - follow my drift?....

Have you seen the price of quality wool these days, my grandmother would turn in her grave.

[slowlux]

Yeah, I had a ball in it but it finally convinced me that 50+ fitness wasn't quite enough.

By the way, Azurro (Italian for Blue) kart 125 was the reason for the plates currently on my GQ - they origonally graced on L300 with 2.6 Sigma motor & 17" wheels that carried my Karts all over the place.




yeah azzuros are a good kart, but so are the almighty australian made Arrows. now theres a quality kart. Nice plates! i should change mine to ARWDVR-arrow driver! though that looks crap!