Tire Pressues

[my45]

I know that this has been dealt with on every other forum, but thought that we may as well hear about what the people here do in relation to tire pressures.

Personally i love low pressures but i dont have bead locks to 14psi is the lowest i will go :-[

Dirt Tracks: About 20 psi
Rocks: 16-18psi
Sand: 16psi
Mud: 32psi ( less grip, more mud slingin ;D)

[baby_troupe]

for me,
37-38 normal highway.
24-25 bush tracks & small steps
Down to 15 if it starts to get gnarly
As low as 12 psi on Stockton (soft sand)

I am not beadlocked either. I would go to 10 on rock if locked.

[my45]

Would love to go that low and not have to worry about it. now that i thin about it i've been down to 12, but reinflaited after about 5 min

[baby_troupe]

I was runnin 235/70 16s on Stockton on 12 psi for a few hours. I tried @ 15 & kept bogging down, so went to 12. I would have gone to 10 if I still had probs, but did not need to.

[my45]

Hint for towing in the sand: Lower the trailer pressures as low if not lower than the truck. tried towing a trailer at stockton at about 40psi (major failure), let then down to 10psi, suddenly i was cruzin with the wind in my hair ;D

[wooders]

MY45, have you popped a bead yet?
I ran my TJ with 31's regularly at 12-14PSI (not bead locked) and rearly popped a bead - which suggests to me that it's pretty much the sweet spot...

Now I've got 35" muddies on 15x8 non-beadlock they run approx the following pressures:
Street 28PSI
Trail (easy-mod) 15PSI
Mud well generally the tyres are already lowered so they stay at whatever pressure....
Rock Difficult trail 10PSI

Then with my 36" TSL's on 15x8 Beadlocks:
Street 18-20PSI
Trail 12-15PSI keeps the diffs up higher.
Rock 6-8PSI

[my45]

When i run 16psi the tires bulge hugely as the fj45 weighs in at 2040kg plus i carry a small balast on the tray(200kg), right over the rear wheels to get the suspension wrking a bit better ;)

I've never poed a bead but thats only coz im not to game, but i spoze its time to test the tires to their limits? :)

Thats what tubes are for, stop the beads popping...

Sand 10 psi
mud 5-15psi
rock 8-12 psi
bush 15-20psi
gravel roads 25-28psi
hwy 35-40 psi

Beadlocks are to stop the rim rotating in the tyre at low pressure....

[my45]

Could you get tubes from your local mechanic or do you need to get them from someware special?

[my45]

Also, with the Stt's they only have 2ply sidewalls and that mean that they'll bust fairly easily :-\

[baby_troupe]

Could you get tubes from your local mechanic or do you need to get them from someware special?

Get tubes from tyre retailer

[baby_troupe]

Also, with the Stt's they only have 2ply sidewalls and that mean that they'll bust fairly easily :-\

2 plys will flex more, but be more prone to puncture through sidewall.
As for busting, I would think that that is caused by high pressures, not low.

Could you get tubes from your local mechanic or do you need to get them from someware special?

Get tubes from tyre retailer


Get Latex rubber tubes, not Butyl rubber tubes, as the Butyl ones burst, specially if stretched to a larger tyre size, where as latex rubbe rones I have used a 31x10.5 tube in emergencies in a 36" tyre.......

The good tubes like Simex or Olympic multifit will set you back $30-$40 ea, but you will put them in the next tyres, and the next.....

[wooders]

Also, with the Stt's they only have 2ply sidewalls and that mean that they'll bust fairly easily :-\

So are my ProCraps....and I haven't holed one of those yet...
The STT isn't that puny - yes you always run the right of a ripped sidewall and it's slightlu higher with very low pressure - but conversely I've seen a few tests that show better resilience at low pressure too......

[my45]

Thats all im really worried about, Ripping the side walls but as you say they probably pesist being ripped better as there'd be more flex ( unless your using the loud pedal to much)

Cheers Ill give it a go this weekend, and try and find some good tubes ;)

[wooders]

Just remember if you rip a sidewall out, it's NOT MY FAULT ;) :-*

[my45]

Oh yes it is >:( ;D ;)

Thats why Ive always run swampers in the bush, the rags have a 3/4 inch thick sidewall, and the tread area ia even thicker.......

[baby_troupe]

With sidewalls like that Darren, you probably don't need air in them.

remember Mike Smith with the first set of swamper SX's on his blue rangie... we pulled the valves out, still looked they had 15 psi in them on the car..........

[baby_troupe]

With 3/4 inch (that is around 19mm thick for those not imperially educated) sidewalls, I'm not surprised.

thats why they suck so much hp as well...rotating mass to move.

[baby_troupe]

I know what your saying there.
My MTs are 3 times the weight of my other tyres, & the first things I notice is power loss & extra fuel usage.

[wooders]

Mate a few weeks back I weighed my tyres....
35" ProComp muddie on 15x8 Steelie - 40kgs each
36" TSL (Bias) on 15x8 Steel Beadlock - 46kg each.....frig that's nearly 200kg of rim & tyre sucking my power.....

[baby_troupe]

They are very heavy.

When I first bought mine, I transported all 5 home on the roof rack. The COG was so high, I couldn't get any speed at all with safety.
Re 3 times the weight, I did exagerate a bit, I don't know the real weights yet, but the sizes differences are as follows;
Normal Road Tyres - 235-65-16 on 16*6 Alloy Rim -Bridgestone Dueller AT

Off Road Tyres - 265-75-16 on 16*7 Steel Rim - BFG Mud Terrain KO.

My MTR 285's on steel 16x8 rims, were heavier than my 36x13 swampers on 10" alloy rims............

[my45]

:o Alloys must bring the weight down a lot.

Yep, 3 alloys weigh same as my steel rim......

[my45]

:o Thats gotta help feed the horses ;)

For Me, 90 Vit stock with 205/75 15 8 plys...........
Road 23psi[per manual]
Dirt road as above
Mud 19-20psi
Sand 12psi upwards depending on conditions and vehicle load......just keep an eye on cornering, surprising how many tyres part company with the rim! Servo at Anna Bay has a call out service onto Stockton beach to reseat beads! I don't lowere pressures for dirt or gravel roads anymore, I've seen tyres destroyed by impacts becuase they were too underinflated....check out the pressures the Rally guys run, they now about rough dirt roads! Cheers William ::)

[baby_troupe]

I don't lowere pressures for dirt or gravel roads anymore, I've seen tyres destroyed by impacts becuase they were too underinflated....check out the pressures the Rally guys run, they now about rough dirt roads! ::)


You will probably find those people who destroyed tyres on corrugations were running <20 psi.
Around 25 will help smooth out most corrugations without the rim making contact with the road at a sensible speed.

[Tlux]

Sensible Speed, is that like sensible shoes or sensible attire, or a sensible car, or like average or ordinary or boring. Let's be sensible about this.

[baby_troupe]

WHat I mean by sensible is to just drive to the conditions.
Some people think that it is OK to drive @ 100km/h or higher on corrugted roads.
When you think about it, as you are being bounced around & do not really have alot of grip while your tyres are not in contact with the road.
On the other hand, you can lower the pressures to take out some of the bounce, but if you go too fast, you will risk pushing the tyre edge against the rim & may damage it or the reinforcing within the tyre. Also running high speeds on low pressures risks heating the tyre too much which will also risk damage to the tyre.
So all in all, that is why I said, it is OK to lower the pressure, but also watch your speed.
I wouldn't like to do more than 80km/h for any length of time on tyres inflated to <25 psi in a vehicle weighing more than 2 tonnes.

I think your'e right about driving to the conditions, and tyre pressures are very important! 15 years of driving heavy trucks taught me that. Trouble with tyre damage from underinflation is that it it mightn't be immediately obvious, maybe not until tarmac speeds are reached. It's very difficult driving on three wheels! Cheers all, William

[RobertM]

The tubes will not stop the problem of low pressures as if you spin the wheel you will rip the valve stem out of the tube won't you ???

[my45]

Thats what tubes are for, stop the beads popping...

Beadlocks are to stop the rim rotating in the tyre at low pressure....


::) ;)

[RobertM]

I thought so but misread a few replies and got a little bit off track.
I am about to go on holidays so I think I should of read everything twice as my brain is already there

8) 8) 8)

[baby_troupe]

I am about to go on holidays so I think I should of read everything twice as my brain is already there

8) 8) 8)




I'm like that all the time. hehehehe ;D

[RobertM]

baby_Troopie you are a member of the central coast 4wd club aren't you?

Was looking at joining a club now that I have finally got my 4wd back on the road (thats why statue the car has been nick named that because it just sat there for a while :D)

What is the club like and where is Charmhaven?

[baby_troupe]

Not a bad club.
We have pretty regular outings, which I go on probably 1/4 of these.
There are about 130 members & meet once a month @ Charmhaven.

Charmhaven is located on the northern end of the NSW Central Coast, about 15 minutes north of Wyong on the Pacific Highway, or about 40 minutes south of Newcastle.
The fire station where we meet is on Arizona Rd & the next meeting is Thursday Next week.

If you need directions, PM me & I will send more info.

[Guts]

With Q78`s on my Lux.

25psi on highway
Once the hubs get locked its striaght down to 14psi MIN.

If only doing rock and slow work its striaght down to 8-9 psi, then play from there down if more traction needed.

[bigbluemav]

A Question

The other weekend when I was at LCMP, I dropped my pressures to 25psi on my boring 31x10.5's, as is my custom offroad.

The next day the two fronts were WAY down. Both had leaks around the bead, one faster than the other. The only thing that I did differently to other days when I've run around on 25psi, was play in the pig pen. Could this have done it??

I don't have compressor as yet and like the better traction that 25psi gives and don't want give it up.

Any ideas??

[baby_troupe]

A Question

The other weekend when I was at LCMP, I dropped my pressures to 25psi on my boring 31x10.5's, as is my custom offroad.

The next day the two fronts were WAY down. Both had leaks around the bead, one faster than the other. The only thing that I did differently to other days when I've run around on 25psi, was play in the pig pen. Could this have done it??

I don't have compressor as yet and like the better traction that 25psi gives and don't want give it up.

Any ideas??




I reckon there may be some rust around the bead.
Go to a tyre place & get the offending tyre(s) removed & clean up the bead, then get it resealed.
I have never had a prob with the bead leaking even as low as 12psi.

[RobertM]

I have got crap usually sand or mud stuck in the bead before when the pressures were low mainly from going to Stockton Beach and got a slow leak.
1st time it happened I thought I had a puncture but the tyre gut told me I had sand in the bead, he cleaned it up and problem solved.

[wooders]

Hilift nose in the tow hitch and fot on the tyre will often pop the bead allowing it to be cleaned - no need to bother the tyreshop....

[Tlux]

Be careful with the jack job, I did it with an MQ patrol diesel, and supported the whole front. The jack tipped sideways and the corner of the base dug into the tyre wall, and the bead still didn't break. when the tyre was fixed and reinflated, it had a bubble where the jack was which gradually got worse.

[wooders]

OUCH - I haven't experienced that before - but can see how it would happen...

[brianonpatrol]

Hey Wooders... in an earlier reply you referred to your Pro Comps as ProCraps... why so??.. I have 33" Pro Comp muds, only a coupla thousand K's on 'em so far... I am curious as to why you referred to them like that??

I run 40 psi on the highway and 22 psi off road... I haven't tried them on sand as yet.....

So far I have been a few places that other trucks with highway tyres and even All Terrains have struggled, so no complaints.....

[cuttin loose]

heya guys,

i know this is a little left field of the discussion but can you buy 15 x 8's with the beadlocks as aprt of the rim?
or do you have to buy the beadlocks seperately and have them welded on... not sure on this one.. any help much appreciated...

Cheers..... ;D ;D ;D

you can buy beadlocked rims, but the mechanical type are illigal for road use, and do only one side normally.

I have fitted secondair tyrelocks which are cheaper, and do both beads, and work extremely well, and having had mechanical beadlocks the secondairs are much much beter, not to mentioon legal.

[cuttin loose]

yeah i read about them when they first came out... would be interesting to hear some feedback from you and anyone else who's got'em...

what are they worth?? i know the beadlocks are about 100 bucks each, but like you said arn't legal... ;D

$100wont get them fitted though, the secondairs are around $225 ea i believe.

[cuttin loose]

i got a mate how owns Chaos 4v4 so there's no probs with the fitting..

how do the secondairs work?? do they pump up as you pump up the tyres??

nope, they are a seperate valve for the tyreloc tube and athe tyre air space, hard to explain, but they are very simple in operation.

[mudlux]

road use; 36 psi
dirt road; 30 psi
track; 25-30 psi
mud;30 psi
sand as low as 20 psi
no problems with grip and no flat tyres :P

when you try some decent hills in mud, or want to wheel in snow, you will need down to 10 or 8 psi, or even 3-5 psi for heavy snow.

[alki]

I went down to 15psi on soft sand but wouldn't go any lower as I haven't got bead locks.
Every day driving 36-40 psi

if you have good tubes 10 psi is fine, and I ahve run 10 psi in sand with no tubes before, and having done heaps of sand driving, have never knocked a tyre off in the sand.

[alki]

nice to know

[Humpy]

Road 20psi
Off road 20psi (lazy)
Sand 10-12psi would go to 8 if sand was really soft

[brianonpatrol]

An update now that we have some beach driving experience...
40psi on road
22psi off road.(including sand...)
Just spent 5 days on Fraser Island on 22 psi... twice (once each for wife and me... we share the off-roading) we felt the Patrol bogging down, both times due to wrong gear... both times we stopped, selected low reverse and backed out a few metres... selected low second and drove back through the same line without stopping... we even pulled up next to a stuck soft roader (see my entry on the beech driving forum) on the Indian Head track... and then drove off without so much as a single turn of wheel spin.
And some of Fraser's inland tracks are pretty tough as well... but we had fun...not problems!
I put it down to three things...
1) We have learned a lot!!
2) We have a very capable truck... Diesel power!!
3) We have very capable tyres...
(probably 2 and 3 should come before 1 there I guess... but you get the picture,,,)

[Wilesy]

road use; 36 psi
dirt road; 30 psi
track; 25-30 psi
mud;30 psi
sand as low as 20 psi
no problems with grip and no flat tyres :P


I am pretty close to those figures myself, and also have never had a problem.

[BushBoy]

G'day
a friend of mine just bought a rocky, 3 of us keep going 'light' offroading a bit, but none of us having any real off road driving experience, I'm not sure about the pressures we should be using,
it has hankook dynamic AT's, 30x9.5R15 on sunrasias,
we only go on bush tracks that have a fair amount of rocks, none would be very sharp as such, but are kinda pointy, and stick out a bit, some steepish sections of track too,
we haven't let the tyres down as yet, as we usually don't go for long, but we have no way of pumping them back up without going home or to a servo, which involves a fair bit of road driving. I s'pose she'll need to buy a compressor.
advice,
thanks.

[baby_troupe]

G'day
a friend of mine just bought a rocky, 3 of us keep going 'light' offroading a bit, but none of us having any real off road driving experience, I'm not sure about the pressures we should be using,
it has hankook dynamic AT's, 30x9.5R15 on sunrasias,
we only go on bush tracks that have a fair amount of rocks, none would be very sharp as such, but are kinda pointy, and stick out a bit, some steepish sections of track too,
we haven't let the tyres down as yet, as we usually don't go for long, but we have no way of pumping them back up without going home or to a servo, which involves a fair bit of road driving. I s'pose she'll need to buy a compressor.
advice,
thanks.

A Compressor should be one of the first things you buy for offroading.
See in this months issue for the top 10 accessories & it is high up the list.

[lovemud]

I went through a boghole the other day was to lazy to deflate the tyre's got a bad side puncher and it can't be patched only done about 2.000 km on them :-[

[alki]

if you have good tubes 10 psi is fine, and I ahve run 10 psi in sand with no tubes before, and having done heaps of sand driving, have never knocked a tyre off in the sand.


Last week I had pressure down to 10 psi and it did wanderfull job.
Commodore on the beach and exit point was about 100 m through soft sand,so I hooked up my snatch strap,let the tyres down, turn both difflocks on and wasn't to much of the effort to pull it of the beach

[nqgu]

Just came back from a huge trip we found this

245 70 16
On gibber 30 to 33 when loaded, as low as 26 if not loaded.
On the sand 18 psi as a starting point, as low as 10 on the loosest dunes.

David

I can't believe we spelt tyre, tire :(

Pass me the Oxford - my spelling sucks but at least I try for the aussie version, sheez ::)

[GQtray]

i do every thing except beach driving at 32 psi,15 psi on the beach and i can do most of it in 2wd,our sand must be harder in Tas!!!

[snapper]

i just came back from north flinders i'm running 285/75/16 cooper st i got 3 stakes !!! i started usesing 34 pressure then whent down to 22 then went done to 18 it mad no diff ! so the only thing i beleive is to lower your pressure on sand..i think.
on rocks or mud i'm not sure now,
i am confused ?? ???
may be need better rocky type tyres ?

[Humpy]

New tyres for me 31x10.5x15 so new pressures

Road 16psi
Bush 10psi
Beach 5psi

Found I could easily drive along the beach in 2WD

[Mick G]

Interested to hear peoples views on suggested tyre pressures for my S2 Disco on 18" wheels. Mainly do dirt track and a bit or rocky stuff. Tips for all surfaces would be appreciated, understanding that I am prone to more punctures than most - none to date though!

Cheers, Mick G

[taziiy]

for the likes of dirt tracks i would drop them to about 20psi just to absorb the ruff bits and that should do for you rock work as well

i just came back from north flinders i'm running 285/75/16 cooper st i got 3 stakes !!! i started usesing 34 pressure then whent down to 22 then went done to 18 it mad no diff ! so the only thing i beleive is to lower your pressure on sand..i think.
on rocks or mud i'm not sure now,
i am confused ?? ???
may be need better rocky type tyres ?


those pressures must be way too low.. if ya go too low on rocky or rough rough rd's like that you are more prone to staking the sidewalls. i know everyone has there own personal views, and some will say drive round on 20 psi on these outback tracks, but in my view thats just ludicruos.. keep the pressures up.. just my opinion.

you can always go a little too low...... muzza pulled a bead off on Sunday...... i think he was running 20 psi :-X although i have heard of it happening to BFG A/Ts before

[taziiy]

you can always go a little too low...... muzza pulled a bead off on Sunday...... i think he was running 20 psi :-X although i have heard of it happening to BFG A/Ts before


On the weekend i was running at 14 psi

[Muzza]

Yeah I was running at 20psi, same as I ran all thru the Rover Park trip. After I did the bead I bumped em back up to 25 psi and had no probs up the zigzag or thru the mud so 25 for me now in the bush.

Muzza

[baby_troupe]

Yeah I was running at 20psi, same as I ran all thru the Rover Park trip. After I did the bead I bumped em back up to 25 psi and had no probs up the zigzag or thru the mud so 25 for me now in the bush.

Muzza

24 at the zig zag?????
I run 18 around there & car works beautiful on the rocsk & mud.

BTW I have a 2 tonne prado (LJ 70)

[BJHilly]

being a bit of a newb when it comes to tyre pressures i have noticed that the tyres on my patrol bulge... a fair bit at recommended pressure of 32psi and it is leaving the sidewall begging to be staked when i venture off road... should i up the pressure a bit more? also planning a trip along the gunbarrel so mostly dirt and i will be fairly loaded would i increase pressure more or drop it?

only ask this as ijust reading this thread it seems people change their pressures over diff terrain when i was younger with the oldman it just used to be air down for the sand.

[Mick.]

When your off road you should let you tyres down a bit depending on the tyre and terrain.Off road I let mine down to about 20psi. It's a smoother ride and a hard tyre will be more prone to spikes.Softer tyres will roll over a sharp rock or stick with less chance of a puncher.When loaded up I would still let the tyres down a bit maybe 25psi but like I said it depends on the tyre.If your tyres are down a bit it lessons the work load of your suspension and less chance of things getting broken.When I'm on the black top I usually run about 38psi again depending on the tyres and the load your carrying.

[BJHilly]

thanks for the info.

[boof]

i have a q on tyre pressures i used to run my radial claws at 14-16psi on a 7 inch rim with no problems of popping a bead i now have them on a 8 inch rim and concerned as to whether i should still go that low or is there more chance of popping a bead on the new rim the tyre is a 31,10.5,15

[Jys5428]

you can buy beadlocked rims, but the mechanical type are illigal for road use, and do only one side normally.

I have fitted secondair tyrelocks which are cheaper, and do both beads, and work extremely well, and having had mechanical beadlocks the secondairs are much much beter, not to mentioon legal.

You wish they were legal! Who drilled the hole for the second valve? Unless they were already in the wheel when you bought them, your wheels are now illegal.
What you should have said is that internal bead locks are less obviosue to officer plonk ;)
As for price, you can get a set of mech beadlocks fitted to any wheel for around 80-100. Wheelworks can do a custom offset rim with locks for about $280. So your $200 internals + whatever you paid for your wheels, Min $70 for shit steelies, all works out about the same.
And yes I have owned and used them.
Point is they're no more legal than mechanicals, just less obviouse ;)

[GQANDGU]

i just came back from north flinders i'm running 285/75/16 cooper st i got 3 stakes !!! i started usesing 34 pressure then whent down to 22 then went done to 18 it mad no diff ! so the only thing i beleive is to lower your pressure on sand..i think.
on rocks or mud i'm not sure now,
i am confused ?? ???
may be need better rocky type tyres ?


those pressures must be way too low.. if ya go too low on rocky or rough rough rd's like that you are more prone to staking the sidewalls. i know everyone has there own personal views, and some will say drive round on 20 psi on these outback tracks, but in my view thats just ludicruos.. keep the pressures up.. just my opinion.

I have always run 36-40 on road, 25-28 on rocky/dry tracks, 24-25 on soft tracks and 18 on Sand (3 different vehicles over 12 years), and have staked an occasional tyre but never popped a bead. Last trip to Flinders Ranges, the local guides/drivers stated they NEVER went below 30, including the Arkaroola Ridgetop trip and another private property trip. They went places in HighRange that I thought impossible. Also last week did over 50 kms on Stockton, ran at 15 and not once used Low Range or came close to bogging. Changed my thoughts !

[Mick.]

you can buy beadlocked rims, but the mechanical type are illigal for road use, and do only one side normally.

I have fitted secondair tyrelocks which are cheaper, and do both beads, and work extremely well, and having had mechanical beadlocks the secondairs are much much beter, not to mentioon legal.

You wish they were legal! Who drilled the hole for the second valve? Unless they were already in the wheel when you bought them, your wheels are now illegal.
What you should have said is that internal bead locks are less obviosue to officer plonk ;)
As for price, you can get a set of mech beadlocks fitted to any wheel for around 80-100. Wheelworks can do a custom offset rim with locks for about $280. So your $200 internals + whatever you paid for your wheels, Min $70 for shit steelies, all works out about the same.
And yes I have owned and used them.
Point is they're no more legal than mechanicals, just less obviouse ;)

The second air interal bead lockers are totally road legal. They are advertised as being legal which if this was untrue they would end up with law suits against them for false advertisement. The other day my 4wd was involved in an accident and the police turned up. My 4wd has these interal bead lockers, one of the coppers asked me why I had two valves for each wheel. I told him what they where and he thought they where a brillant idea. He thought I had two valves to let my tyres down quicker originally. :D :D. The police didn't seem to care about trying defect me.

[boof]

as far as i am aware any sort of beadlocks are illegal in qld dont know about other states though i remember an article a while ago when pat tried them and thought he said they were illegal too

[Mick.]

as far as i am aware any sort of beadlocks are illegal in qld dont know about other states though i remember an article a while ago when pat tried them and thought he said they were illegal too

In NSW they are legal because they are on my engineers certificate which the RTA have a copy of and also on my insurance policy with GIO.

[Mick.]

You would think that something that improves safety on and off road would be totally legal. If you have a punture at 100kmh on the highway you don't end up on the rim like you would without them so I can't work out why they would be illegal in any state really.

[Humpy]

Why are you trying to start an argument with people who arent here any more ::) ;)

lilblkduck ???

GQandGU ???

[Mick.]

Why are you trying to start an argument with people who arent here any more ::) ;)

lilblkduck ???

GQandGU ???

Not starting an argument just stating a fact.

[Humpy]

I dont mean you mick69, you are responding to the other two who are quoting guys that left the forum some time ago

[Mick.]

I dont mean you mick69, you are responding to the other two who are quoting guys that left the forum some time ago

I understand now i'm a bit slow. :P :P

[GQANDGU]

Why are you trying to start an argument with people who arent here any more ::) ;)

lilblkduck ???

GQandGU ???

I am totally confused by what you mean ? I was responding to a request for information, not arguing with anybody ! Simply passing on recent comments from people with considerable 4WD experience - which made me think again about my approach. And by the way - how am I supposed to know who has left the forum anyway ?

[Humpy]

Sorry mate

I said that tounge in cheek, hence the wink smiley ;)

What I meant was you and LilBlkDuck were responding to posts from a guest, which means they arent a member anymore. So it is unlikely you will get a response from them ;D

Sorry for the confusion :-[