Most Cabable 4wd??

[Yonk]

Originally Posted by kerry460

G,,day have to agree ,
its what i drive ,
auto ,difflocks standard, synchromesh transfercase, no stopping to change from high to low or back.
maybe i am biased .
but thats my opinion.
Yonk next year you might be able to buy a new one
kerry

I called the local Benz dealer a month ago but they have no information on pricing at all.
I heard figures like 200k on the rumour mill, so I guess I won't be getting a new one!
Hard to believe tho.

If I could afford one, I would definitely get one over anything else.
Till the, 80 series with the new Chev 6.5 deisel Turbo with ceramic pistons & a 4 inch lift will just have to do.

[wooders]

IMHO the voting list anything that doesn't have EACH of the following STOCK should be removed and not considered:
Dual solid axles,
Dual difflockers,
Swaybar disconnects (or no swaybars),
Coils (or airbags) allround,
Crawl ratio of at least 50:1
Chassis

Then its a question of is there reasonable aftermarket support ie can the following readily be purchased off the shelf:
Lift kits, Rock rails, Bumpers & tyre carriers, skid plates, racks, flares (for wider tyres), lower diff ratios (if you go bigger tyres again later) - etc.

Whilst there are many 4x4's I respect as being capable (some on the list some not) I honestly believe you just couldn't go past the JK Rubicon as THE most capable with minimal mods.

[DGR01]

Hummer vs Jeep - Car Videos on StreetFire

this video always makes me smile


IRA spec landrover over a hummer H1 any day!

[Hairy Goat]

yeah, well there has been some pretty tough talk about humvees and their stats, and there has also been some doctored images of humvees doing some "amazing" things. But an xtrail with a professionally installed dual hiclone setup can still wipe its date with a highly modded humvee, jeep, toyota or lamb rover any day of the week.

Here is a dual hiclone equipped xtrail in action on a 60 degree cross slope. If anyone has any images to top this one I would love to see it....

[Jeeps]

Why was there no option for offroad Batmobiles?

[jeeptheone]

Jeep Wrangler of course, either the sport or the Rubi!

JTO

[blackjk]

Gotta love the Jeeps! That why we have two Great cars, and you don't really have to do many mods for them to be very capable offroad.

[cac]

Hummer vs Jeep - Car Videos on StreetFire

this video always makes me smile


IRA spec landrover over a hummer H1 any day!

sorry DGR...but even blind freddy can see the obvious bias against hummer's in the video...the white H1 that couldn't be driven up the rocky hill...seems clear to me the driver doesn't know how to drive off road....at all.....

as for the H2s they featured...we all know they are not really proper hummers anyway....just rebodied chevies...and i think its fair to say that all the stock H2s they showed would be comfortably out driven by all the highly modified jeeps shown....

[Humvee]

Originally Posted by bad_religion_au

http://www.youtube.com/v/E3R-Qgd5zV8&hl=en&fs=1&

awesome flex

Flex doesnt mean much off road, some guys I've wheeled with have serious travel and still have trouble following the hummer, its just one of those things people bring up every now and then when they have nothing intelligent to say.. have a look at a pinzgauer and tell me if one of your trucks can go where that goes, and wow look that doesn't flex either

[Humvee]

Originally Posted by cac

sorry DGR...but even blind freddy can see the obvious bias against hummer's in the video...the white H1 that couldn't be driven up the rocky hill...seems clear to me the driver doesn't know how to drive off road....at all.....

as for the H2s they featured...we all know they are not really proper hummers anyway....just rebodied chevies...and i think its fair to say that all the stock H2s they showed would be comfortably out driven by all the highly modified jeeps shown....

As an example of "not knowing", the guy who brought my last hummer off of me, when he was driving away goes "oh before you go....what are these other shift leavers for (pointing the HL and L) ?? today he rings me saying the power steering is making a hissing sound and theres white throth in the tank, Im saying to him Dex 3 is red, thats would should be in there... where are you looking, he describes what he's looking at , and its the water reservoir... so yeh some people have no idea, if you didnt know how to work the torsens in a H1 and get it to distribute the torque it would be like that video driving with open diffs front and rear..

[Yom]

Originally Posted by Humvee

Flex doesnt mean much off road, some guys I've wheeled with have serious travel and still have trouble following the hummer, its just one of those things people bring up every now and then when they have nothing intelligent to say.. have a look at a pinzgauer and tell me if one of your trucks can go where that goes, and wow look that doesn't flex either

Yes it does. Articulation keeps wheels on the ground which helps with stability when you don't want a body 18ft wide to keep the center of gravity extremely low. Lockers fix the traction problem - its only the surface condition then which can cause a loss of momentum and torsen differentials have no control over that evil mistress either.

Besides, the H1/Humvee body won't physically fit through alot of terrain (obviously being used to weave through forests wasn't part of their intended design). This rules them out of the running of this particular competition I think.

[cac]

personally i don't think the size is the huge problem some people here are making it out to be....

as Humvee has already said, i was wheeling with him on the weekend, and his truck went everywhere that mine went....there was a couple of corners that were a bit tight for him to do in one go, or that may have required a bit of bush bashing to do in one go, but he had little trouble getting through....i couldn't pick one particular section of the track that the hummer had any real difficulty with actually....

on a slightly related note, there's the tassie DVD from a couple of years back the mag did, the one with coopers dual cab patrol along for the ride....that thing would be at least as long as a hummer, and not that much narrower, maybe 15cm, yet managed to make it down all the tracks the other rigs went down....

[Yom]

As I said depends on where you drive but it is not ideally suited to all terrains. Which is what I would consider to be a fairly important point.

[HZJ75_John]

Turning circle surely couldnt be any worse than a leaf sprung 75 series cruiser could it? I can turn a W model Kenworth in less room than my cruiser...

[bad_religion_au]

Originally Posted by Humvee

Flex doesnt mean much off road

yep, flex doesn't do much offroad... that's why all the WEROCK buggies run IFS with 2 inch long shocks...

and i was more putting the video up to hilight the loose nut behind the wheel

[Festa]

I'll take the 2" lift and the mudders but the JK Wrangler won't need the locker.

Be fair and give the Hummers rear AND front lockers there the one's that really need them.

[diehard]

Originally Posted by cac

on a slightly related note, there's the tassie DVD from a couple of years back the mag did, the one with coopers dual cab patrol along for the ride....that thing would be at least as long as a hummer, and not that much narrower, maybe 15cm, yet managed to make it down all the tracks the other rigs went down....

they were, and still are some tight tracks....not many cars would get down there without some bush pinstripes

[bad_religion_au]

Originally Posted by Humvee

Sorry for the rant...but name another factory 4x4 that compares to it.

how about the toyota Dyna 4x4... it has 430mm diff clearance, with factory portals.

or the Mega cruiser has 420mm diff clearance, with a turning circle more than 4 meters less than the Hummer, and most the "bragging rights" of the H1.

and most sources i've found about the H1 quote a 407mm diff clearance.

[bad_religion_au]

Originally Posted by Humvee

its 30mm wider than a 100 series..

really? a quick web search states...

100 series is under 2.3 meters wide.
a hummer 2.56 meters wide.

that's almost a foot wider...

Originally Posted by Humvee

approach angle of 72deg,
departure angle of 47deg ,
42cm of ground clearance,
heated windshields
was built to last 14years with the military,
climb a 60degree slope
traverse a 40degree side slope,

again, quick web search points out

approach angle (with the winch) is 47 degrees.
departure angle is 37.5 degrees
40.6 mm ground clearance
does the heated windshield help it climb better? give you more traction in the mud?
was not built at all for the military. pretty much the same design as the military humvee's, built by a different company (GM under licence from AMC i think), so build quality IS NOT the same between the military ones and the ones available on the civilian market.
it's designed to climb a 60% slope (which is 31 degrees.)
and it's a 40% side slope (22 degrees).

so please, if you want to play paper wars with the 4bies, at least get your paper straight.

but as we all know, paper doesn't make a 4bie.

[Humph]

Hummer articulation: YouTube - Hummer on the RTI Ramp ... Rolls it